Yataghan for translation and comment

mariusgmioc · 4th July 2016, 02:04 PM

Still no translation?

mariusgmioc · 9th July 2016, 09:26 AM

Hello Zifir,

Can you please help me with this one as well?

Best regards,

Marius Mioc

Miguel · 12th July 2016, 07:34 PM

Hi Marius,

Sorry for late reply but have had severe computer problems and system will not accept replies from iPad.

Cant help with translation but would like to congratulate you on owning such a beautiful piece, wonderful. I think it may be Turkish. I read somewhere that the warriors threw away their yagtahan scabbards when they went into battle, collecting them later if they were victorious, I don't think that they would throw this scabbard away which leads me to think that it is a status or dress item but whatever it is a really beautiful piece.
Regards
Miguel

mariusgmioc · 13th July 2016, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miguel

Hi Marius,

Sorry for late reply but have had severe computer problems and system will not accept replies from iPad.

Cant help with translation but would like to congratulate you on owning such a beautiful piece, wonderful. I think it may be Turkish. I read somewhere that the warriors threw away their yagtahan scabbards when they went into battle, collecting them later if they were victorious, I don't think that they would throw this scabbard away which leads me to think that it is a status or dress item but whatever it is a really beautiful piece.
Regards
Miguel

Thank you for your appreciation... but I will redirect it towards the master swordsmith who made such a masterpiece!

Miguel · 14th July 2016, 07:15 PM

Well said Marius. Iwas wondering if you have had a chance to research the Yataghan in your new book and if so have you found if it is Balkan or not?
Regards
Miguel

mariusgmioc · 15th July 2016, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miguel

Well said Marius. Iwas wondering if you have had a chance to research the Yataghan in your new book and if so have you found if it is Balkan or not?
Regards
Miguel

Hello Miguel,

Based on comparisons with some pieces in Elgood's book, it may be from Crete. However, I am not sure about that because of other distinctive characteristics. Moreover, I am not sure that Elgood's geographical attribution can be considered for reference as it appears to be based more on anectodal evidence.

To me is quite clear that styles and crafts traveled throughout the Ottoman empire and it may be impossible to accurately locate a point of origin.

eftihis · 15th July 2016, 10:57 AM

Well, certainly it is not from Crete, and i do not think is from any other Greek place either.

Miguel · 15th July 2016, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Hello Miguel,

Based on comparisons with some pieces in Elgood's book, it may be from Crete. However, I am not sure about that because of other distinctive characteristics. Moreover, I am not sure that Elgood's geographical attribution can be considered for reference as it appears to be based more on anectodal evidence.

To me is quite clear that styles and crafts traveled throughout the Ottoman empire and it may be impossible to accurately locate a point of origin.

Hello Marius,

I think you may be right which is frustrating at times but is all part of the enjoyment of the researching process

I have just ordered the book as I have always been satisfied with the quality of Elgood`s research and hope I am not disappointed as I have noted some criticisms with this book which is something I have not seen about his previous works. At any rate they have not put me off and I look forward to receiving it. I still think that your Yataghan may be Turkish

Regards
Miguel

4th July 2016, 02:04 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Still no translation?

9th July 2016, 09:26 AM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Hello Zifir, Can you please help me with this one as well? Best regards, Marius Mioc

12th July 2016, 07:34 PM	#3
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	Hi Marius, Sorry for late reply but have had severe computer problems and system will not accept replies from iPad. Cant help with translation but would like to congratulate you on owning such a beautiful piece, wonderful. I think it may be Turkish. I read somewhere that the warriors threw away their yagtahan scabbards when they went into battle, collecting them later if they were victorious, I don't think that they would throw this scabbard away which leads me to think that it is a status or dress item but whatever it is a really beautiful piece. Regards Miguel

14th July 2016, 07:15 PM	#5
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	Well said Marius. Iwas wondering if you have had a chance to research the Yataghan in your new book and if so have you found if it is Balkan or not? Regards Miguel

15th July 2016, 10:57 AM	#7
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Well, certainly it is not from Crete, and i do not think is from any other Greek place either.