Destroying artwork

ALEX · 18th May 2016, 08:51 AM

Robert Shapiro, former O.J. Simpson lawyer, in a recent interview said: "There's two types of justice that we deal with in America: There's moral justice and there's legal justice". Simply put, legal justice is used here to stop the trend and ban the illegal substance. That said, I am with Alan in that it becomes witch hunt that affects innocent and items of historical significance. I hope more thoughtful and senseless controls will form in near future before people get hurt for owning camel bone pens and ivory colored ties.

Kubur · 18th May 2016, 11:12 AM

I agree but it's not only about moral justice.
It's about society.
These people give moral lessons, they are ecologists, vegetarians and whatever...
They are against fur and they pretend to protect wildlife...
But they are also the same who wear fashonable leather shoes without thinking that leather comes from animal
or they are the same who wear trendy clothes made by little childrens in India or China...
as I said... disgusting...

Tim Simmons · 18th May 2016, 11:26 AM

What ever

just make sure however you deal with it, do not go through people who are vandal. The art must remain whole.

ariel · 18th May 2016, 11:31 AM

I suspect Alan's suggestion of death penalty for the perpetrators, their families, friends, neighbors, sheep and oxen was tongue in cheek:-)

On a larger scale, what we are witnessing is a pussification of Western societies.
It is incredibly gratifying to protect "weak and miserable", such as whales, elephants, owls and exotic fish. Just as much as granting asylums, vaporizing about genital mutilation, circumcisions, firearms, bladed objects, sugary drinks, carbon prints, halal slaughter of animals and electronic cigarettes.

Interestingly, all these governmental decisions come from people who are not going to be affected by the fruits of their bureaucratic frenzy.

Governments acquired unlimited and unchecked powers. Education of children became a province of ex-hippies of the lunatic left fringe. Future generations will be even more supine, because they were brainwashed from diaper age ( environmentally safe diapers, mind you!) and never ever asked themselves why fascist regimes always put the word "socialist" at the head of their party manifestos.

Our handwringings are impotent. We are going against the tide. Ivory is just a minor symptom, but 1984 is already 30 years old and going stronger.

estcrh · 18th May 2016, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Our handwringings are impotent. We are going against the tide. Ivory is just a minor symptom, but 1984 is already 30 years old and going stronger.

Arial, just begining to realize that we all in some way have been living in police states, some more disquised than others?

A. G. Maisey · 18th May 2016, 01:24 PM

Ariel, I suspect you might be the only person who read what what I have written a really understood what I was saying.

Your post has touched on the roots of the illness, and it is an illness, that is destroying the very fabric of who we are.

As for "pussification", I love that word. It is Shakespearean in its thrust. It has been duly noted and is now a part of my vocabulary.

I was not so much tongue in cheek as I was using an example of, let us say: "overkill" , to demonstrate that extreme misuse of power can flow to both poles. Abuse of power in one direction almost invariably leads to counter abuse in the other direction and thus is the author of its own demise.

ariel · 18th May 2016, 01:49 PM

Alan,
There is a Talmudic statement that he who is merciful to the cruel will inevitably end up being cruel to the merciful.

As to " pussification", please feel free to recommend its inclusion into the OED. I insist on being credited:-)))

Estcrh,

I have known it for years. Depressingly, I see more and more how correct I was.....

Leviathans used to protect us from abuse. Now they are chocking us by their hugs.

David · 18th May 2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

As to " pussification", please feel free to recommend its inclusion into the OED. I insist on being credited:-)))

Nice to hear you are taking credit for this vulgar term Ariel, but AFAIK George Carlin used the word in one of his routines about a decade ago.
I will now be accused as being overly PC in my approach, but i would surely hate to see anyone, Alan included, considering this a useful or admirable word to add to one's vocabulary. I have been raised to have nothing but the greatest respect for womankind. If you cannot see how this word is derived from the use of the word "pussy" as a derogative that refers to the female genitalia and is applied as an insult to men who are perceived to be acting "weak like a woman" then you have not been paying much attention to the etymology of slang. Those who believe women the weaker sex might want to try childbirth sometime.

I do realize that we are a bit of a boys club here, but i personally find the use of this word in this manner to be quite offensive. Since we are (mostly) men here i would ask that we conduct ourselves like gentlemen in this space. Perhaps try acting as if your mother, sister and wife are in the room listening.

ariel · 18th May 2016, 04:14 PM

David,
I always thought this word referred to a "little kitten":-)

kronckew · 18th May 2016, 04:26 PM

men do have a rough equivalent to childbirth, bladder/kidney stones, supposedly almost as painful. operative word 'almost'. how true i do not know as i have not borne children.

i have passed a few kidney stones and had surgery to remove another bladder stone that was too big to pass normally. they did not need to cut a hole in me, used a telephone pole with a hydraulic stone crusher and camera on the end up one of my connected orifices that was not meant to be so treated. luckily done with me under anaesthesia. i wee'd red for a week after.

the kidney stones hurt worse as they scraped down my ureter, hospital thought i might be having a heart attack with referred pains. morphine didn't help much, but did keep me from caring

my female friends of course commented on those occasions 'it's the closest you will get to childbirth'. women are of course more deadly than the male and forget less than elephants.

anyway, i have never used that word in anger to either a male or female human, maybe to a feline occasionally tho. with the -cat ending suffix. i prefer staying out of hospitals.

p.s. = i would have replaced 'pu?????????ion' with 'brainwashing'.

Rick · 19th May 2016, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

Arial, just begining to realize that we all in some way have been living in police states, some more disquised than others?

Yes, and Big Brother is watching..(us?) yes; probably.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th May 2016, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by estcrh

Arial, just begining to realize that we all in some way have been living in police states, some more disquised than others?

Though interesting to some ...may I suggest that this thread be moved to Ethnographic Miscellania since the so called Destruction of Artwork is not an ethnographic weapon...but is allowable in terms of that Forum...not this one.

fernando · 19th May 2016, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Though interesting to some ...may I suggest that this thread be moved to Ethnographic Miscellania since the so called Destruction of Artwork is not an ethnographic weapon...but is allowable in terms of that Forum...not this one.

The minimum required indeed.

kronckew · 19th May 2016, 06:43 PM

feel free to delete the BS.

Sylektis · 18th June 2016, 05:05 PM

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18th May 2016, 04:26 PM	#10
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	men do have a rough equivalent to childbirth, bladder/kidney stones, supposedly almost as painful. operative word 'almost'. how true i do not know as i have not borne children. i have passed a few kidney stones and had surgery to remove another bladder stone that was too big to pass normally. they did not need to cut a hole in me, used a telephone pole with a hydraulic stone crusher and camera on the end up one of my connected orifices that was not meant to be so treated. luckily done with me under anaesthesia. i wee'd red for a week after. the kidney stones hurt worse as they scraped down my ureter, hospital thought i might be having a heart attack with referred pains. morphine didn't help much, but did keep me from caring my female friends of course commented on those occasions 'it's the closest you will get to childbirth'. women are of course more deadly than the male and forget less than elephants. anyway, i have never used that word in anger to either a male or female human, maybe to a feline occasionally tho. with the -cat ending suffix. i prefer staying out of hospitals. p.s. = i would have replaced 'pu?????????ion' with 'brainwashing'. Last edited by kronckew; 18th May 2016 at 04:41 PM.

18th May 2016, 08:51 AM	#1
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Robert Shapiro, former O.J. Simpson lawyer, in a recent interview said: "There's two types of justice that we deal with in America: There's moral justice and there's legal justice". Simply put, legal justice is used here to stop the trend and ban the illegal substance. That said, I am with Alan in that it becomes witch hunt that affects innocent and items of historical significance. I hope more thoughtful and senseless controls will form in near future before people get hurt for owning camel bone pens and ivory colored ties.

18th May 2016, 11:12 AM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I agree but it's not only about moral justice. It's about society. These people give moral lessons, they are ecologists, vegetarians and whatever... They are against fur and they pretend to protect wildlife... But they are also the same who wear fashonable leather shoes without thinking that leather comes from animal or they are the same who wear trendy clothes made by little childrens in India or China... as I said... disgusting...

18th May 2016, 11:26 AM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	What ever just make sure however you deal with it, do not go through people who are vandal. The art must remain whole.

18th May 2016, 11:31 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I suspect Alan's suggestion of death penalty for the perpetrators, their families, friends, neighbors, sheep and oxen was tongue in cheek:-) On a larger scale, what we are witnessing is a pussification of Western societies. It is incredibly gratifying to protect "weak and miserable", such as whales, elephants, owls and exotic fish. Just as much as granting asylums, vaporizing about genital mutilation, circumcisions, firearms, bladed objects, sugary drinks, carbon prints, halal slaughter of animals and electronic cigarettes. Interestingly, all these governmental decisions come from people who are not going to be affected by the fruits of their bureaucratic frenzy. Governments acquired unlimited and unchecked powers. Education of children became a province of ex-hippies of the lunatic left fringe. Future generations will be even more supine, because they were brainwashed from diaper age ( environmentally safe diapers, mind you!) and never ever asked themselves why fascist regimes always put the word "socialist" at the head of their party manifestos. Our handwringings are impotent. We are going against the tide. Ivory is just a minor symptom, but 1984 is already 30 years old and going stronger.

18th May 2016, 01:24 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,017	Ariel, I suspect you might be the only person who read what what I have written a really understood what I was saying. Your post has touched on the roots of the illness, and it is an illness, that is destroying the very fabric of who we are. As for "pussification", I love that word. It is Shakespearean in its thrust. It has been duly noted and is now a part of my vocabulary. I was not so much tongue in cheek as I was using an example of, let us say: "overkill" , to demonstrate that extreme misuse of power can flow to both poles. Abuse of power in one direction almost invariably leads to counter abuse in the other direction and thus is the author of its own demise.

18th May 2016, 01:49 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Alan, There is a Talmudic statement that he who is merciful to the cruel will inevitably end up being cruel to the merciful. As to " pussification", please feel free to recommend its inclusion into the OED. I insist on being credited:-))) Estcrh, I have known it for years. Depressingly, I see more and more how correct I was..... Leviathans used to protect us from abuse. Now they are chocking us by their hugs.

18th May 2016, 04:14 PM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	David, I always thought this word referred to a "little kitten":-)

19th May 2016, 06:43 PM	#14
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	feel free to delete the BS.

18th June 2016, 05:05 PM	#15
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 139	https://www.antiquestradegazette.com...ed-to-customs/