Destroying artwork

Sajen · 15th May 2016, 01:00 PM

Horrible!!!

Norman McCormick · 15th May 2016, 01:32 PM

Straightforward Common Sense and Political Correctness appear to be as mutually exclusive in the U.S.A. as they are here in Europe.
Regards,
Norman.

corrado26 · 15th May 2016, 01:42 PM

these pictures demonstrate urgently the grandiose stupiditiy of men at its best!!
corrado26

ariel · 15th May 2016, 03:41 PM

What can we do with our own ivory-, walrus- and rhino - handled swords and daggers?
Is it safe to buy such items from foreign countries to be shipped here?
What about shipping outside the U.S. ? Within the US?

These stories open a huge can of poisonous worms for antique dealers and weapon collectors.

Rick · 15th May 2016, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

What can we do with our own ivory-, walrus- and rhino - handled swords and daggers?
Is it safe to buy such items from foreign countries to be shipped here?
What about shipping outside the U.S. ? Within the US?

These stories open a huge can of poisonous worms for antique dealers and weapon collectors.

And you probably never dreamed that your own country could or would mark you as a criminal.......neither did I.

Oh well off to the Fun store for more ammo for the AR.

Tim Simmons · 15th May 2016, 04:05 PM

It is truly ghastly to see such vandalism even if done with good intention. Destroying ivory to kill the market, prestige concept of the material is probably only happening in " western " countries. Where I think there is little demand for new ivory. This is hitting the wrong people. However I can understand the the no if,s and buts view.

kronckew · 15th May 2016, 05:06 PM

political correctness at it's work again.

i lost a few old ivory netsuke i bought in japan a couple decades back. US customs just took them.

this thread's destruction is like defacing the mona lisa to avoid offending someone.

Lee · 15th May 2016, 05:19 PM

This article covers some of the implications. I expect that these regulations will ultimately face court challenge as it is a seizure of the value of a person's property without adequate justification.

Obviously I do not at all believe the demonization of antique ivory is going to save any wildlife. Indeed Kenya's recent mass ivory burn was just stupid. Sell it though legal channels to where there is demand for big money and use the proceeds to combat the poachers.

asomotif · 15th May 2016, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

this thread's destruction is like defacing the mona lisa to avoid offending someone.

Her right wrist is still very naked.

estcrh · 16th May 2016, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

What can we do with our own ivory-, walrus- and rhino - handled swords and daggers?
Is it safe to buy such items from foreign countries to be shipped here?
What about shipping outside the U.S. ? Within the US?

These stories open a huge can of poisonous worms for antique dealers and weapon collectors.

Ariel, I have personally passed on buying these items only recently. Luckily I only have a few items with ivory, and remember that ivory can come from several sources. There will certainly be a black market for antique weapons with ivory hilts, inlay etc. If you can not openly and accurately describe the hilt material and inlay on your weapons how do you sell the without worrying about the buyer coming back on you someday if they eventually have a problem.

Hopefully some very rich and powerful collector has to deal with this problem, that may be the only way we will ever get any help.

15th May 2016, 05:06 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	political correctness at it's work again. i lost a few old ivory netsuke i bought in japan a couple decades back. US customs just took them. this thread's destruction is like defacing the mona lisa to avoid offending someone. Last edited by kronckew; 16th May 2016 at 10:58 AM.

15th May 2016, 01:00 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,207	Horrible!!!

15th May 2016, 01:32 PM	#2
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,618	Straightforward Common Sense and Political Correctness appear to be as mutually exclusive in the U.S.A. as they are here in Europe. Regards, Norman.

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corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	these pictures demonstrate urgently the grandiose stupiditiy of men at its best!! corrado26

15th May 2016, 03:41 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	What can we do with our own ivory-, walrus- and rhino - handled swords and daggers? Is it safe to buy such items from foreign countries to be shipped here? What about shipping outside the U.S. ? Within the US? These stories open a huge can of poisonous worms for antique dealers and weapon collectors.

15th May 2016, 04:05 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	It is truly ghastly to see such vandalism even if done with good intention. Destroying ivory to kill the market, prestige concept of the material is probably only happening in " western " countries. Where I think there is little demand for new ivory. This is hitting the wrong people. However I can understand the the no if,s and buts view.

15th May 2016, 05:19 PM	#8
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 937	This article covers some of the implications. I expect that these regulations will ultimately face court challenge as it is a seizure of the value of a person's property without adequate justification. Obviously I do not at all believe the demonization of antique ivory is going to save any wildlife. Indeed Kenya's recent mass ivory burn was just stupid. Sell it though legal channels to where there is demand for big money and use the proceeds to combat the poachers.