English Sea Service Pistol?

Fernando K · 21st March 2016, 01:57 PM

Hello

Of course, it is not a service weapon, by a
absence of proof punches and other inscriptions. In addition, the auction of lated. The hammer, although legitimate, does not correspond to the time the rest of the lock

Fernando K

Pukka Bundook · 21st March 2016, 02:27 PM

It does appear old, but as already noted not Sea Service.

The lock with the faceted pan looks rather Germanic to me.

Best.
R.

corrado26 · 21st March 2016, 04:03 PM

This lock with its battery spring ending left of the screw that fixes the lock to the butt is typical Austrian: It is the lock of the ordnance pistol M 1770. But the triggerguard and sideplate are of an other unknown but certainly European origin.
corrado26

Shakethetrees · 21st March 2016, 04:07 PM

It looks old, except for the ramrod.

However the lock and trigger guard do not look like British issue.

It appears to me to have been assembled from various parts a long time ago. The stock looks like a cut down carbine or musket stock due to the profile. The lack of a buttcap also gives me pause.

It has a great patina and appears to have been legitimately used a long time ago, but any further attribution at this point (in my opinion), is strictly conjecture.

Fernando K · 21st March 2016, 09:08 PM

Hello

Numerous lock have the screw securing the lock to the stock right spring frizzen, so that is not a feature to define the origin of the lock, also other differences with the lock rise by corrado, as the auction of noticeable frizzen, a difference in the conformation of the gooseneck and the shape of "banana shape" of the plate of the lock and the pan is rounded and not facetted and depressed area at the end of the plate.

Affectionately. Fernando K

Sorry for the translator

JamesKelly · 21st March 2016, 10:03 PM

For what it's worth, the "390" is some manner of museum mark, not original to the pistol.
The pan is faceted, not round
Barrel measurements show that it is not a cut down musket. The profile is identical to a light dragoon pistol, not to a Brown Bess.
Otherwise, thank you, Gentlemen, for looking it over.

Shakethetrees · 21st March 2016, 11:48 PM

Sometime Irish registry marks are stamped similar to this. Seeing how guns were so highly restricted there going way back, it wouldn't surprise me that it could have been put together there.

I don't think the shape of the pommel, length of the grip and lack of a buttcap make this a candidate to be a light Dragoon pistol!

corrado26 · 22nd March 2016, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hello

Numerous lock have the screw securing the lock to the stock right spring frizzen, so that is not a feature to define the origin of the lock,

So please be so kind and show me other locks with a flat plate and a flat swanneck cock that have this situation of the battery spring.
regards
corrado26

Fernando K · 22nd March 2016, 03:15 PM

Fernando K

corrado26 · 22nd March 2016, 04:06 PM

Ok, thank you, I forgot the Spanish flintlocks, but the lock of the pistol is certainly not a Spanish one
Regards
corrado26

21st March 2016, 04:03 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	This lock with its battery spring ending left of the screw that fixes the lock to the butt is typical Austrian: It is the lock of the ordnance pistol M 1770. But the triggerguard and sideplate are of an other unknown but certainly European origin. corrado26 Attached Images

22nd March 2016, 03:15 PM	#9
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Lock Fernando K Attached Images

21st March 2016, 01:57 PM	#1
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello Of course, it is not a service weapon, by a absence of proof punches and other inscriptions. In addition, the auction of lated. The hammer, although legitimate, does not correspond to the time the rest of the lock Fernando K

21st March 2016, 02:27 PM	#2
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	It does appear old, but as already noted not Sea Service. The lock with the faceted pan looks rather Germanic to me. Best. R.

21st March 2016, 04:07 PM	#4
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	It looks old, except for the ramrod. However the lock and trigger guard do not look like British issue. It appears to me to have been assembled from various parts a long time ago. The stock looks like a cut down carbine or musket stock due to the profile. The lack of a buttcap also gives me pause. It has a great patina and appears to have been legitimately used a long time ago, but any further attribution at this point (in my opinion), is strictly conjecture.

21st March 2016, 09:08 PM	#5
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hello Numerous lock have the screw securing the lock to the stock right spring frizzen, so that is not a feature to define the origin of the lock, also other differences with the lock rise by corrado, as the auction of noticeable frizzen, a difference in the conformation of the gooseneck and the shape of "banana shape" of the plate of the lock and the pan is rounded and not facetted and depressed area at the end of the plate. Affectionately. Fernando K Sorry for the translator

21st March 2016, 10:03 PM	#6
JamesKelly Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Michigan, U.S.A. Posts: 108	For what it's worth, the "390" is some manner of museum mark, not original to the pistol. The pan is faceted, not round Barrel measurements show that it is not a cut down musket. The profile is identical to a light dragoon pistol, not to a Brown Bess. Otherwise, thank you, Gentlemen, for looking it over.

21st March 2016, 11:48 PM	#7
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	Sometime Irish registry marks are stamped similar to this. Seeing how guns were so highly restricted there going way back, it wouldn't surprise me that it could have been put together there. I don't think the shape of the pommel, length of the grip and lack of a buttcap make this a candidate to be a light Dragoon pistol!

22nd March 2016, 04:06 PM	#10
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	Ok, thank you, I forgot the Spanish flintlocks, but the lock of the pistol is certainly not a Spanish one Regards corrado26