Medieval dagger?

erlikhan · 24th January 2006, 10:45 AM

[QUOTE=wolviex]So let me correct you, they were cast in one piece including hilt

So was there no development in dagger producing technology since Roman or even earlier iron age times till 13-14th century ??

wolviex · 24th January 2006, 12:55 PM

To be sincere, my knowledge on medieval knives isn't big. I believe it wasn't rule to make knives in one piece. You can find many pieces where hilt and pommel are cast and made separately. On this ebay knife it's hard to tell is the hilt made in one pice with tang, or is it just the effect of corosion. But knives like this happen and here you have some examples of knives from 13-15th centuries.
Regards!

Jens Nordlunde · 24th January 2006, 06:18 PM

Hi Wolviex,

In your mail #12 you show an antenna dagger in the second picture, the one in the middle. Do you know from where the dagger is?
The blade looks like the blades you sometimes see on katars.

wolviex · 25th January 2006, 07:26 AM

Hi Jens!

It's described as Basilard, Italian, 1350-80 y. The blade lenght is 270 mm, width 46mm. It's a picture from Europaische Hieb- und Stichwaffen by Heinrich Muller and Hartmut Kolling.

erlikhan · 25th January 2006, 07:52 AM

And do you know, is forging a better and way than to cast melt iron, for making stronger blades ? (I think so). Perhaps they were forging longer blades for swords, and simple casting was quiet satisfactory enough for shorter dagger blades..

regards

wolviex · 25th January 2006, 09:00 AM

Hi Erlikhan!
I'll pass and let other to pick up cast and forging topic. I'm so rookie in this matter

24th January 2006, 12:55 PM	#2
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	To be sincere, my knowledge on medieval knives isn't big. I believe it wasn't rule to make knives in one piece. You can find many pieces where hilt and pommel are cast and made separately. On this ebay knife it's hard to tell is the hilt made in one pice with tang, or is it just the effect of corosion. But knives like this happen and here you have some examples of knives from 13-15th centuries. Regards! Attached Images

24th January 2006, 10:45 AM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	[QUOTE=wolviex]So let me correct you, they were cast in one piece including hilt So was there no development in dagger producing technology since Roman or even earlier iron age times till 13-14th century ??

24th January 2006, 06:18 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Wolviex, In your mail #12 you show an antenna dagger in the second picture, the one in the middle. Do you know from where the dagger is? The blade looks like the blades you sometimes see on katars.

25th January 2006, 07:26 AM	#4
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Hi Jens! It's described as Basilard, Italian, 1350-80 y. The blade lenght is 270 mm, width 46mm. It's a picture from Europaische Hieb- und Stichwaffen by Heinrich Muller and Hartmut Kolling.

25th January 2006, 07:52 AM	#5
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	And do you know, is forging a better and way than to cast melt iron, for making stronger blades ? (I think so). Perhaps they were forging longer blades for swords, and simple casting was quiet satisfactory enough for shorter dagger blades.. regards

25th January 2006, 09:00 AM	#6
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Hi Erlikhan! I'll pass and let other to pick up cast and forging topic. I'm so rookie in this matter