Indo Persian Tulwar; opinion needed as to age

mariusgmioc · 14th March 2016, 11:08 AM

It is very difficult to judge from the photos, but the last 5 photos appear to show some indications of pattern welding. Moreover, the shape of the blade with the fuller running along the middle of the blade and the presence of the yelman appear to confirm the 19th century suggestion.

drac2k · 14th March 2016, 12:18 PM

Thank you both for your comments.What made me somewhat suspicious was the profusion of armory marks; maybe it is a 19th century sword that somebody tried to enhance, to make it more than it is.

rand · 15th March 2016, 06:43 PM

Most period indian manufactured wootz blades would have a lap weld and a ricasso. Yours blade certainly has a ricasso and the bade edge shows wear from sharpening over a period of time. May even see a faint lap weld line. Your tulwar looks to have a period armory (for lack of better term) grade iron handle. Would suspect it is 19th century. The tooled mark on the blade appear crude later designs and not in done with the indian over lapped round punch technique often used.

rand

drac2k · 16th March 2016, 03:33 AM

Thanks for the comments Rand ;I hope to see you this weekend in Baltimore.

rand · 16th March 2016, 02:09 PM

Ditto on seeing you at the show and will show you the mamluk armor. My goal is to have a great time with friends and come back with something I have not had before.

If your tulwar is pattern welded that can be good. A pattern weld can be re-etched and if it is a pattern meant to be shown it would enhance both the beauty and value of the sword. If a pattern weld was done for function only usually with a hard steel blade edge and not meant to be shown it would have been polished bright.

rand

drac2k · 16th March 2016, 08:19 PM

Thanks

14th March 2016, 11:08 AM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Pattern welded?! It is very difficult to judge from the photos, but the last 5 photos appear to show some indications of pattern welding. Moreover, the shape of the blade with the fuller running along the middle of the blade and the presence of the yelman appear to confirm the 19th century suggestion.

15th March 2016, 06:43 PM	#3
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Most period indian manufactured wootz blades would have a lap weld and a ricasso. Yours blade certainly has a ricasso and the bade edge shows wear from sharpening over a period of time. May even see a faint lap weld line. Your tulwar looks to have a period armory (for lack of better term) grade iron handle. Would suspect it is 19th century. The tooled mark on the blade appear crude later designs and not in done with the indian over lapped round punch technique often used. rand Last edited by rand; 15th March 2016 at 11:50 PM.

16th March 2016, 02:09 PM	#5
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Ditto on that! Ditto on seeing you at the show and will show you the mamluk armor. My goal is to have a great time with friends and come back with something I have not had before. If your tulwar is pattern welded that can be good. A pattern weld can be re-etched and if it is a pattern meant to be shown it would enhance both the beauty and value of the sword. If a pattern weld was done for function only usually with a hard steel blade edge and not meant to be shown it would have been polished bright. rand

14th March 2016, 12:18 PM	#2
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Thank you both for your comments.What made me somewhat suspicious was the profusion of armory marks; maybe it is a 19th century sword that somebody tried to enhance, to make it more than it is.

16th March 2016, 03:33 AM	#4
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Thanks for the comments Rand ;I hope to see you this weekend in Baltimore.

16th March 2016, 08:19 PM	#6
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Thanks