Strange yataghan! Russian?

Battara · 10th February 2016, 04:06 PM

What an interesting piece! Although not typically Balkan or Turkish, what in the hilt looks Russian in your sight (always wanting to learn more.....).

Thanks for posting this.

eftihis · 10th February 2016, 06:09 PM

"Russian" is a wild guess! But i see some sort of resemplance with the "playful" metalwork that these 2 rusian scabbards have, and the "playful" type of metalwork in the ricasso.

David R · 10th February 2016, 09:19 PM

I would have a look under the search term "Pandour"! Starting within this forum.

mahratt · 12th February 2016, 08:29 AM

Just an interesting fact.

In Russia, sometimes made yataghans as a curiosity. For example, known yataghan made ZOF (Zlatoust arms factory) in 1902.

estcrh · 12th February 2016, 11:03 AM

Here are two examples that appear to be Russian made, Hermitage museum I think.

Jim McDougall · 12th February 2016, 02:34 PM

Excellent call Dave!!!
The 'Pandours' were auxiliary units for the Austrians mid 18th c. and comprised on primarily Hungarian and Croatian troops . While in their 'irregular' capacity with various 'line' forces, they wore their own styles of uniforms and weapons, and the 'exotic' flamboyance became favored by the military of a number of European nations. This is primarily the instance which brought in many of these Balkan and Ottoman type weapons with distinct European flair, and in my opinion are some of the most fascinating and unusual examples.
While this cannot be classified as pandour with certainty, it certainly has profound potential in that accord.

Esterch, just wanted to note that your skills in locating and posting amazing comparative examples in these threads is almost phenomenal!! Thank you for adding this great and key dimension to these discussions

Mahratt, I thank you as well as you bring in examples and outstanding images of applicable photographs and art work.

You guys are totally amazing!!

estcrh · 12th February 2016, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Esterch, just wanted to note that your skills in locating and posting amazing comparative examples in these threads is almost phenomenal!! !

Thanks Jim, I did not see that Eftihis had already posted the two examples I posted, here is another one.

10th February 2016, 06:09 PM	#2
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	"Russian" is a wild guess! But i see some sort of resemplance with the "playful" metalwork that these 2 rusian scabbards have, and the "playful" type of metalwork in the ricasso. Attached Images

12th February 2016, 08:29 AM	#4
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Just an interesting fact. In Russia, sometimes made yataghans as a curiosity. For example, known yataghan made ZOF (Zlatoust arms factory) in 1902. Attached Images

12th February 2016, 11:03 AM	#5
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	Here are two examples that appear to be Russian made, Hermitage museum I think. Attached Images

10th February 2016, 04:06 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	What an interesting piece! Although not typically Balkan or Turkish, what in the hilt looks Russian in your sight (always wanting to learn more.....). Thanks for posting this.

10th February 2016, 09:19 PM	#3
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,116	I would have a look under the search term "Pandour"! Starting within this forum.

12th February 2016, 02:34 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,191	Excellent call Dave!!! The 'Pandours' were auxiliary units for the Austrians mid 18th c. and comprised on primarily Hungarian and Croatian troops . While in their 'irregular' capacity with various 'line' forces, they wore their own styles of uniforms and weapons, and the 'exotic' flamboyance became favored by the military of a number of European nations. This is primarily the instance which brought in many of these Balkan and Ottoman type weapons with distinct European flair, and in my opinion are some of the most fascinating and unusual examples. While this cannot be classified as pandour with certainty, it certainly has profound potential in that accord. Esterch, just wanted to note that your skills in locating and posting amazing comparative examples in these threads is almost phenomenal!! Thank you for adding this great and key dimension to these discussions Mahratt, I thank you as well as you bring in examples and outstanding images of applicable photographs and art work. You guys are totally amazing!!