Vasily Vereshchagin "Indian poem"

ariel · 6th February 2016, 02:32 PM

Flindt describes there general structure of all Bukharan handles. No argument about kards and bichaks.
I am asking specifically about "shashkas" . All his examples and all I have seen or handled have 5 ( rarely 4, if the grip is narrower than usual).
Can you show an example of a "shashka" with 3 rivets?
I am intrigued.

mahratt · 6th February 2016, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Flindt describes there general structure of all Bukharan handles. No argument about kards and bichaks.
I am asking specifically about "shashkas" . All his examples and all I have seen or handled have 5 ( rarely 4, if the grip is narrower than usual).
Can you show an example of a "shashka" with 3 rivets?
I am intrigued.

I'm sorry. Where in the quotation from Torben Flindt which I posted,, you see mention of Kard and Pichok? I specifically placed the piece of text that no one had any doubt as to the correctness of citations Torben Flindt in this fragment writes exclusively about Bukhara shashkas. Or I confuse? In the English word "sword" can mean "knife" ??? My English is bad. And I do not know it.....

Jens Nordlunde · 6th February 2016, 04:01 PM

In post 59 only part of what Torben wrote about the hilts is shown. Here is it all.

mahratt · 6th February 2016, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

In post 59 only part of what Torben wrote about the hilts is shown. Here is it all.

Thank you, Jens.
Do I understand correctly that the phrase Torben Flindt "3-5 of rivets on the hilts" refers not only to knifes (Kard and Bichok), but also to Bukhara shashkas?

Jens Nordlunde · 7th February 2016, 12:55 PM

Torben writes about the swords when he mentions the 3-5 rivets. When it comes to the Bukharan daggers he writes: 'The same materials and manner of fitting them are found on Bukharan daggers of the bytshak and karud types.' So here he doesn't give the number of rivets, but my guess is, that had the number of rivets been different on the daggers he would have mentioned it.

mahratt · 7th February 2016, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Torben writes about the swords when he mentions the 3-5 rivets.

Thank you so much. I am glad that I have correctly understood the article Torben Flindt.

ariel · 7th February 2016, 07:14 PM

Jens,
This passage in Flindt's article is very confusing, and I read it differently.

According to Flindt, it is the large size of the rivets that is the " Bukharan characteristics"

If so, the upper handle with 3 large rivets ( Afghani pseudo-shashka) must be Bukharan, whereas the two lower ones ( both Bukharan shashkas) with 5 small rivets are not Bukharan at all :-)

My point remains the same: can somebody show an example of a Bukharan "shashka" with 3 rivets? I have yet to see one.

6th February 2016, 04:01 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	In post 59 only part of what Torben wrote about the hilts is shown. Here is it all. Attached Images

7th February 2016, 07:14 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Jens, This passage in Flindt's article is very confusing, and I read it differently. According to Flindt, it is the large size of the rivets that is the " Bukharan characteristics" If so, the upper handle with 3 large rivets ( Afghani pseudo-shashka) must be Bukharan, whereas the two lower ones ( both Bukharan shashkas) with 5 small rivets are not Bukharan at all :-) My point remains the same: can somebody show an example of a Bukharan "shashka" with 3 rivets? I have yet to see one. Attached Images

6th February 2016, 02:32 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Flindt describes there general structure of all Bukharan handles. No argument about kards and bichaks. I am asking specifically about "shashkas" . All his examples and all I have seen or handled have 5 ( rarely 4, if the grip is narrower than usual). Can you show an example of a "shashka" with 3 rivets? I am intrigued.

7th February 2016, 12:55 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Torben writes about the swords when he mentions the 3-5 rivets. When it comes to the Bukharan daggers he writes: 'The same materials and manner of fitting them are found on Bukharan daggers of the bytshak and karud types.' So here he doesn't give the number of rivets, but my guess is, that had the number of rivets been different on the daggers he would have mentioned it.