Any Amazon collectors?

Houkura · 3rd February 2016, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

WELCOME TO THE FORUM.

A VERY NICE OLD EXAMPLE. MY TWO SHIPIBO CLUBS EARLY IN THIS POST WERE OF A LIGHTER SOFTER WOOD AND HAVE THE TRADITIONAL SHIPIBO TRIBAL DESIGNS ON THE BLADES. I SUSPECT MY TWO ARE MORE FOR DANCE , PRESENTATION OR TOURISTS RATHER THAN FIGHTING. THERE IS A GOOD HEAVY EXAMPLE IN THE NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM IN NEW YORK CITY THAT HAS THE TRIBAL DESIGNS SO PERHAPS THERE WAS A PERIOD OF OVERLAP BETWEEN WEAPON AND CEREMONIAL USE.

IS THERE ANY TRACE OF TRIBAL DESIGN ON YOUR CLUB?

Thanks for the warm welcome all.

Vandoo-there is none of the tribal design on the blade. All the examples in the Smithsonian have thedesign as well-including a couple very early ones. I think it is more normal to have the design. Mine just doesn't but it still appears quite old. I've really enjoyed your posts-keep it up. This is my only South American club but maybe I will post more of my Polynesian material soon...

KuKulzA28 · 4th February 2016, 03:51 AM

Houkura, that is a very nice club, even if not decorated... congrats!

Gavin Nugent · 4th February 2016, 04:49 AM

Congrats on such a fine example Houkura.

The type is its plain form is one I would be proud to display with my Amazon clubs.

Gavin

fireiceviper · 4th February 2016, 06:19 PM

Very nice club, don't worry about the markings some have it, some don't !

here is another example similar to yours!

http://www.nmai.si.edu/searchcollections/item.aspx?irn=209363&catids=1&cultxt=shipibo&src=1-1

Tim Simmons · 27th February 2016, 08:24 AM

This is my latest Amazon club. Origin Hixkaryana speaking peoples Para state Brazil and some related groups on the Brazil/Guyana border. I like to show how weapons of a size and form vary world wide so I show it with a big bully from the New Hebrides, Australia and Africa. Hixkaryana have much conflict with miners and loggers. Miner caught in Para Amazon. Like gold in Them there hills!

1998 report on violence in Para,
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/brazil/mining.htm

Tim Simmons · 1st April 2016, 04:29 PM

Guajajara club 98cm long so looks to be quite substantial. Nice handle but these pictures do not give you the best view of how it is woven. When I get it I can make better assessment.

Tim Simmons · 5th April 2016, 05:40 PM

While I wait for the arrival of this club towards the end of the month. I thought I would add this picture of the after affects of club fighting. The link puts the picture in context for those who might be interested in weapons and violence in the Amazon rain forest.

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/0...of-male-honor/

27th February 2016, 08:24 AM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	This is my latest Amazon club. Origin Hixkaryana speaking peoples Para state Brazil and some related groups on the Brazil/Guyana border. I like to show how weapons of a size and form vary world wide so I show it with a big bully from the New Hebrides, Australia and Africa. Hixkaryana have much conflict with miners and loggers. Miner caught in Para Amazon. Like gold in Them there hills! 1998 report on violence in Para, http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/brazil/mining.htm Attached Images

1st April 2016, 04:29 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Guajajara club 98cm long so looks to be quite substantial. Nice handle but these pictures do not give you the best view of how it is woven. When I get it I can make better assessment. Attached Images

5th April 2016, 05:40 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	While I wait for the arrival of this club towards the end of the month. I thought I would add this picture of the after affects of club fighting. The link puts the picture in context for those who might be interested in weapons and violence in the Amazon rain forest. http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/0...of-male-honor/ Attached Images

4th February 2016, 03:51 AM	#2
KuKulzA28 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: between work and sleep Posts: 731	Houkura, that is a very nice club, even if not decorated... congrats!

4th February 2016, 04:49 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Congrats on such a fine example Houkura. The type is its plain form is one I would be proud to display with my Amazon clubs. Gavin

4th February 2016, 06:19 PM	#4
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	Very nice club, don't worry about the markings some have it, some don't ! here is another example similar to yours! http://www.nmai.si.edu/searchcollections/item.aspx?irn=209363&catids=1&cultxt=shipibo&src=1-1