Sword for ID

Gavin Nugent · 18th January 2016, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Thanks for your input, Gavin.
Perhaps then a translation of the second line would read:
For troopers and officers of the First Restoration.
Given that the first French restoration took place briefly 1814-1815, one would be taken to assume that, the blade being marked 1813, should already existed (Klingenthal stock ?)and was later mounted in a musketeers guard ...
Thanks again.

Your spot on there Fernando.

I don't often see French swords under discussion here...let me know if you find more and I'll be happy to dig through the Aries series as it is largely unused with the weapons types I deal in.

Gavin

Jim McDougall · 18th January 2016, 04:33 PM

Gav,
Outstanding identification and referencing!!!!!!
This is quite literally TEXTBOOK response

You're right, the French stuff doesn't often come up here and very, very few out there have the corpus of key data by Aries.
Thank you for sharing the details here for future references, that's what this place is all about.

Jim

ulfberth · 18th January 2016, 07:14 PM

Hi Fernando,

in 2000 a troopers saber of the 1st compagnie mousquetaires du Roi was sold at auction for 45000 French franks without auction costs.
This is around 9000 Euro or aprox. 10.000 $ all costs included. This was an original I was there and could inspect the sword in my hands, the first compagnie held 255 men.
If you download the picture you can zoom in and see the detail and quality
In 2011 a good quality copy was sold at Hermann Historica for 1000 Euro without actions costs. lot 5231

http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat62_f.txt

kind regards

Ulfberth

Jim McDougall · 18th January 2016, 09:21 PM

Excellent perspective Ulfberth!!!
With these kinds of prices it is easy to imagine why there are a good number of interpretations of these rare French swords produced in recent times and important to examine them carefully as you describe.
It is really hard to do from photos.

fernando · 19th January 2016, 02:42 PM

Thank you Ulfberth,
I have browsed the net since i knew what this sword is about and also found originals with fabulous prices. The thing is i don't know wHether the example i posted is a reproduction; the blade being from a later date is a bad start. Besides, it seems as the originals had a Weyersberg blade and not a Klingenthal one. Also i see that copies are being made for a rather low price. I will have to hold this item in hands to try and appreciate its intrinsic value.

ulfberth · 19th January 2016, 03:02 PM

Hi Fernando,

If you zoom in to the picture of the guard you posted, look at the casting lines were the foliage is, rough structures and small holes are evidence from re-casting. More detailed pics would of course help to detect this more clearly.
Another difference are the Lilies , the are too wide on the base of the cross, on the saber of the Hutin collection the have a more narrow base, these are just a few small details that uncover hasty work fore economical reasons.

kind regards

Ulfberth

fernando · 19th January 2016, 04:06 PM

Thanks for the hints, ulfberth

18th January 2016, 07:14 PM	#3
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 424	Hi Fernando, in 2000 a troopers saber of the 1st compagnie mousquetaires du Roi was sold at auction for 45000 French franks without auction costs. This is around 9000 Euro or aprox. 10.000 $ all costs included. This was an original I was there and could inspect the sword in my hands, the first compagnie held 255 men. If you download the picture you can zoom in and see the detail and quality In 2011 a good quality copy was sold at Hermann Historica for 1000 Euro without actions costs. lot 5231 http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat62_f.txt kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

19th January 2016, 03:02 PM	#6
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 424	Hi Fernando, If you zoom in to the picture of the guard you posted, look at the casting lines were the foliage is, rough structures and small holes are evidence from re-casting. More detailed pics would of course help to detect this more clearly. Another difference are the Lilies , the are too wide on the base of the cross, on the saber of the Hutin collection the have a more narrow base, these are just a few small details that uncover hasty work fore economical reasons. kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

18th January 2016, 04:33 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Gav, Outstanding identification and referencing!!!!!! This is quite literally TEXTBOOK response You're right, the French stuff doesn't often come up here and very, very few out there have the corpus of key data by Aries. Thank you for sharing the details here for future references, that's what this place is all about. Jim

18th January 2016, 09:21 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Excellent perspective Ulfberth!!! With these kinds of prices it is easy to imagine why there are a good number of interpretations of these rare French swords produced in recent times and important to examine them carefully as you describe. It is really hard to do from photos.

19th January 2016, 02:42 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Ulfberth, I have browsed the net since i knew what this sword is about and also found originals with fabulous prices. The thing is i don't know wHether the example i posted is a reproduction; the blade being from a later date is a bad start. Besides, it seems as the originals had a Weyersberg blade and not a Klingenthal one. Also i see that copies are being made for a rather low price. I will have to hold this item in hands to try and appreciate its intrinsic value.

19th January 2016, 04:06 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks for the hints, ulfberth