European blades in India

Mercenary · 13th January 2016, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

If you have not already read this essay you should, it is from the book titled "Sultans of the South: Arts of India's Deccan Courts, 1323-1687" By Navina Najat Haidar, Marika Sardar, 2011.

"Swords in the Deccan in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries: their manufacture and the influence of European imports" by Robert Elgood.

https://books.google.com/books?id=iW...page&q&f=false

Estcrh, many thanks! Very good article. The real research. I admit everything that was said there :-)

estcrh · 13th January 2016, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercenary

Estcrh, many thanks! Very good article. The real research. I admit everything that was said there :-)

Yes, many interesting facts and quotes, how about this one.

ariel · 13th January 2016, 04:03 PM

Estcrh:

Many thanks for the article. Finally, we have a well-researched review for our information and education. No more fantasies, reliances on "personal logic", poorly translated citations of citations and the rest of pseudo-scientific junk. This article neatly resolves all issues raised in this discussion.

I was unaware of this article and wish to express my gratitude to you.

Mercenary · 13th January 2016, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

No more fantasies, reliances on "personal logic", poorly translated citations of citations and the rest of pseudo-scientific junk.

Dear Ariel
I totally agree with you. This was enough:

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If I had to choose a sword for a battle, my absolute preference would be for a European one rather than Indian. Interestingly, the Indians thought the same: they mass -produced blades with fake European markings as a sign of the highest quality.

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In contrast, industrial production of British swords was aimed at (and actually achieved) complete uniformity, solid quality and reliability

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The questions have been answered to the satisfaction of every reasonable person and we are just repeating ourselves.

Jim McDougall · 13th January 2016, 07:00 PM

Well done Estcrh!!!

Those lines perfectly respond to the original theme here. The rest of the discussion neatly describes the variables surrounding it, but this is an excellent on topic resolution.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 13th January 2016, 08:00 PM

Salaams estcrh and All, I have seldom seen such a brilliant report in a paper that uncovers the secrets of Indian sword production and the mirage of the European makers...and with a vast Bibliography in support. I need to read it again ...thus its place is now firmly in Forum Library...so it can be held up and viewed at will and hopefully referred to in the many debates on Indian weapons. This paper is an Ethnographic Gem.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

ariel · 14th January 2016, 06:56 PM

I also vote for the permanent placement of this article in the Forum Library.

Good initiative, Ibrahim!!!

estcrh · 15th January 2016, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams estcrh and All, I have seldom seen such a brilliant report in a paper that uncovers the secrets of Indian sword production and the mirage of the European makers...and with a vast Bibliography in support. I need to read it again ...thus its place is now firmly in Forum Library...so it can be held up and viewed at will and hopefully referred to in the many debates on Indian weapons. This paper is an Ethnographic Gem.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim, agreed and a good idea!!!

13th January 2016, 04:03 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Estcrh: Many thanks for the article. Finally, we have a well-researched review for our information and education. No more fantasies, reliances on "personal logic", poorly translated citations of citations and the rest of pseudo-scientific junk. This article neatly resolves all issues raised in this discussion. I was unaware of this article and wish to express my gratitude to you. Last edited by ariel; 14th January 2016 at 12:31 AM.

13th January 2016, 07:00 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,278	Well done Estcrh!!! Those lines perfectly respond to the original theme here. The rest of the discussion neatly describes the variables surrounding it, but this is an excellent on topic resolution.

13th January 2016, 08:00 PM	#6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams estcrh and All, I have seldom seen such a brilliant report in a paper that uncovers the secrets of Indian sword production and the mirage of the European makers...and with a vast Bibliography in support. I need to read it again ...thus its place is now firmly in Forum Library...so it can be held up and viewed at will and hopefully referred to in the many debates on Indian weapons. This paper is an Ethnographic Gem. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

14th January 2016, 06:56 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I also vote for the permanent placement of this article in the Forum Library. Good initiative, Ibrahim!!!