A GERMAN FIGHTING TWO HAND SWORD LATE 16 TH CENTURY

ulfberth · 10th January 2016, 06:42 AM

You are right Jasper, we do have a difference of opinion and that's fine.
And you're right again, there is a lot that people with reasonable eyesight can see, they just have look in the right places, pointing them out can sometimes be helpful.

Kind regards

Ulfberth

Cerjak · 10th January 2016, 06:02 PM

Maybe I should have posted this pictures before. It is obvious that this hilt has been heavily cleaned, there are still some (black) trace of rust. Furthermore, it is a kind of old wax we find only on the hilt which gives this brown color, providing a different aspect if compared with the shiny blade.
So I have decided to remove this old wax only in one quillon end, so we can better see that the hilt had been seriously attacked by rust too .

Cerjak · 10th January 2016, 06:08 PM

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ulfberth · 10th January 2016, 08:36 PM

Jean Luc,

thank you for showing me the detail from up close, after being able to see the structure of the metal and the way it is forged I'm sure the guard is early 17th C or even late 16th C.

Kind regards

Ulfberth

cornelistromp · 11th January 2016, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ulfberth

Jean Luc,

thank you for showing me the detail from up close, after being able to see the structure of the metal and the way it is forged I'm sure the guard is early 17th C or even late 16th C.

Kind regards

Ulfberth

this is 100% the opposite of your statement from post #20 and onwards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ulfberth

Im sorry but the guard is just not 16th C, at best 17th or even 18th C and indeed assembled with the fighting blade for further use as a ceremonial or a sword of justice.
If we look at the alloy and metal surface of the cross guard we see it is different than that of the blade, it is also forged in a different manner.
Ulfberth

So from definitely a later applied hilt it's back to maybe the original hilt?

ulfberth · 11th January 2016, 04:30 PM

Hi Jasper,

Why do you get so defensive if anyone questions you're “knowledge” ?

I can ask you the same kind of questions, like you said the sword was homogeneous and later on you say : the composition of the steel is never matching between blade and hilt.this is the case with virtually all the 16th century swords.so they are never "homogeneous"
Ask yourself this , is this really the goal of this forum ?

I gave my opinion based on the info at hand and I adjusted my opinion after new and more detailed information.
You give me the impression you are not satisfied.
Do I have a say in this?
Are you asking me or telling me?
So, what do I get out of this?”
Are you really expecting me to....do Do what exactly ?

Kind regards

kind regards

Ulfberth

fernando · 11th January 2016, 04:53 PM

Maybe tossing some light discrepancies over the shoulders and get back to a path of harmony ...

10th January 2016, 06:08 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	one more one more Attached Images

10th January 2016, 06:42 AM	#1
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 424	You are right Jasper, we do have a difference of opinion and that's fine. And you're right again, there is a lot that people with reasonable eyesight can see, they just have look in the right places, pointing them out can sometimes be helpful. Kind regards Ulfberth

10th January 2016, 06:02 PM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Maybe I should have posted this pictures before. It is obvious that this hilt has been heavily cleaned, there are still some (black) trace of rust. Furthermore, it is a kind of old wax we find only on the hilt which gives this brown color, providing a different aspect if compared with the shiny blade. So I have decided to remove this old wax only in one quillon end, so we can better see that the hilt had been seriously attacked by rust too . Attached Images

10th January 2016, 08:36 PM	#4
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 424	Jean Luc, thank you for showing me the detail from up close, after being able to see the structure of the metal and the way it is forged I'm sure the guard is early 17th C or even late 16th C. Kind regards Ulfberth

11th January 2016, 04:30 PM	#6
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 424	Hi Jasper, Why do you get so defensive if anyone questions you're “knowledge” ? I can ask you the same kind of questions, like you said the sword was homogeneous and later on you say : the composition of the steel is never matching between blade and hilt.this is the case with virtually all the 16th century swords.so they are never "homogeneous" Ask yourself this , is this really the goal of this forum ? I gave my opinion based on the info at hand and I adjusted my opinion after new and more detailed information. You give me the impression you are not satisfied. Do I have a say in this? Are you asking me or telling me? So, what do I get out of this?” Are you really expecting me to....do Do what exactly ? Kind regards kind regards Ulfberth

11th January 2016, 04:53 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Maybe tossing some light discrepancies over the shoulders and get back to a path of harmony ...