Identification of a sword

Iain · 18th December 2015, 08:18 PM

This strikes me as an attempt to imitate a cinquedea of the 15th century, although not one of typical form.

However, I strongly suspect it is a 19th century "historismus" product. The blade may well be taken from an artillery pattern, the guard is certainly, at least in my opinion, not of any great age.

Reproductions were quite common during the 19th century and still hold value.

Agrippa · 19th December 2015, 10:36 PM

Thank you for your thoughts about the sword. The blade is 63 cm, so much longer than the artillery sword mentioned. The blade is of high quality, the blade is flexible. The silver inlays are well done. I have also thought about some kind of a mix of parts, but then made a long time ago. 1800s? I bought it anyway because I just like the look and feel of the sword! It does look like something from the lord of the ring!

RobertGuy · 20th December 2015, 07:58 AM

Agrippa
Interesting about the blade lengths. The fuller patterns are so alike that I wonder if the French makers of the artillery sword took their inspiration from a sword similar to yours. Another amazing coincidence is that the overall length (including hilt) of my artillery sword is 63cm

iskender · 17th January 2016, 09:22 PM

sire, try looking in the direction of faschinenmessers of german origin similar to the M 1805 Bayern klingenlänge 630mm greetings iskender switzerland

ariel · 18th January 2016, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertGuy

.... The fuller patterns are so alike that I wonder if the French makers of the artillery sword took their inspiration from a sword similar to yours....

Wouldn't it be easier to suggest the opposite: Persian master copying ( or prettifying) French example?
After all, he needed to make only one special order, whereas the French had to approve it as a regulation pattern and make thousands of them.

RobertGuy · 18th January 2016, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Wouldn't it be easier to suggest the opposite: Persian master copying ( or prettifying) French example?....

Indeed it could be. It would be helpful if we could establish the chronology of the items.

17th January 2016, 09:22 PM	#4
iskender Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 60	artilleriefaschinenmesser sire, try looking in the direction of faschinenmessers of german origin similar to the M 1805 Bayern klingenlänge 630mm greetings iskender switzerland

18th December 2015, 08:18 PM	#1
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,717	This strikes me as an attempt to imitate a cinquedea of the 15th century, although not one of typical form. However, I strongly suspect it is a 19th century "historismus" product. The blade may well be taken from an artillery pattern, the guard is certainly, at least in my opinion, not of any great age. Reproductions were quite common during the 19th century and still hold value.

19th December 2015, 10:36 PM	#2
Agrippa Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 2	Thank you for your thoughts about the sword. The blade is 63 cm, so much longer than the artillery sword mentioned. The blade is of high quality, the blade is flexible. The silver inlays are well done. I have also thought about some kind of a mix of parts, but then made a long time ago. 1800s? I bought it anyway because I just like the look and feel of the sword! It does look like something from the lord of the ring!

20th December 2015, 07:58 AM	#3
RobertGuy Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 135	Agrippa Interesting about the blade lengths. The fuller patterns are so alike that I wonder if the French makers of the artillery sword took their inspiration from a sword similar to yours. Another amazing coincidence is that the overall length (including hilt) of my artillery sword is 63cm