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5th November 2015, 01:55 PM
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Ottoman Silver Marks
Kürkman, Garo Istanbul: Mathusalem Publications, 1996 English - 293 pages ISBN: 9789758129007 "A book by Garo Kürkman brings the tradition of silver marks and tughras, monograms of sultans in stylized script, into light.For centuries, during the expansion of the Ottoman Empire, it was obligatory for gold and silver wares to be assayed and stamped at the states gold mint. These marks are catalogued in the book titled “Ottoman Silver Marks.” The book contains a complete list of the Tugra marks of the sultans and other silver marks." |
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6th November 2015, 12:31 AM
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I don't have any references with Turkish marks. Rarely see any of that work here.
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6th November 2015, 06:02 AM
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Here is a close-up of the locks.
Last edited by Chertbolt; 6th November 2015 at 11:39 PM. Reason: Forgot to re-size photos. |
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6th November 2015, 04:40 PM
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Looks like the locks are invisible?? LOL. Hope you can Post close-ups of the locks. I agree with others here. These pistols are an excellent example of European made - for export to the Ottoman market. For all the reasons mentioned above. The stocks are copied from the French design, and the locks look very French, first to second quarter of the 19th Century. As mentioned, the lock internals are the typical higher quality found on Europen locks versus the more common Balkan made copies. And the non-serrated frizzen and full ramrods are also both give aways. Again, a textbook example of Europen made pistols decorated for the Ottoman market. A great pair. Rick. |
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6th November 2015, 11:56 PM
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Oh yes, I forgot to mention they have the special ability to become completely transparent.
 ...or maybe I just forgot to re-size the pictures and they didn't attach. I fixed it. Quote:
Thank you all again for contributing to this thread. I had suspected they were European made for the Ottoman market with the prior research I had done before landing here. It is good to hear confirming opinions. |
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7th November 2015, 02:49 AM
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I believe these pistols are Turkish/Ottoman, with European locks finished in the near east.
The trigger-guards do not look French to me, and the engraving isn't French either. For Turkish pistols, these are very high -end. Congratulations on finding them! Actually, going by the lock -work, they appear English locks.... Edited to correct my English lock bit! On looking at the lock-work again, I see detachable pans. more or less unheard of in England. |
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7th November 2015, 10:19 AM
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Hello,
The barrels are certainly French, the crowned AM is a St Etienne proof mark, and the name JEAN BROSARS appears in several examples, ca 1810. Andreas |
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7th November 2015, 08:25 PM
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Yes, they could have been final assembled in the Balkans from European parts. Just the locks and barrels imported. But when I look at the European style triggers, along with everything else, I still believe these pistols were finished and assembled in Europe for export. The engraving on the trigger guards look typical generic Ottoman/Balkan. And could have easily been done in Europe, or locally since the guards appear to be iron forgings. And I see what you mean by the locks. They have both English and French styling cues. Hmmm. Rick. |
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