On the Use of Indian Terms for Identification of Weapon Types

Jens Nordlunde · 22nd October 2015, 09:41 PM

I am sorry to say that it will not happend again - a trip to Canada. I found it fantastic - but I hated the time of flying to Canada and over Canada to the west coast - thirteen hours of flying and about two hours of waiting.
So much more I regret not to have contacted you.
Jens

fernando · 22nd October 2015, 10:06 PM

Ah, the Niagara falls, the Royal Ontario Museum, the CN tower ... all fascinating

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ariel · 22nd October 2015, 10:28 PM

Jens, I am located in Ann Arbor, a delightful college town 1 hour drive from Windsor, Ontario.
You are alway welcome.
On top of that, I can give you a long tour of all our local microbreweries:-)

Mercenary · 22nd October 2015, 10:39 PM

Ariel, I see you have some time. Be so kind answere my post #72 .

ariel · 24th October 2015, 02:47 AM

You may find examples in:

India: Art and Culture, 1300-1900.
by Stuart Cary Welch

It is available on Amazon, I just checked.

It includes the famous one with the head of his son, Shah Jahan.

Mercenary · 25th October 2015, 07:21 PM

You should to learn other styles of Mughal daggers decoration. There was very beautiful Animal style and others.
After that you will be able to understand that Mughals could not to present each other only "floral style" which you think was phul-katara ))

Emanuel · 27th October 2015, 02:34 PM

They did have a lot of figural styles

Those with flowers and large plant motifs would be termed "floral", and those with animals would be "zoomorphic" I think. Also a lot defying any such simple classification.

ariel · 31st October 2015, 01:00 PM

I spoke with native Hindi and Farsi speakers. It seems that Mercenary's theory in defining wootz as something like " floral ( or flowery) steel" is indeed mistaken.

In Hindi flower is Ful, steel is Loha. In Farsi flower is Gol, and steel is Fulad.

Thus, Fulad and Ful define two totally different things, and the only thing that "unites" them is partial homophony.

It is indeed a confusing area, especially when two languages are compared or intermixed. Even in the same language there are confusing pairs: complement and compliment, for example. Or, even worse, horse and whores:-)
People may make such mistakes very easily, especially when the language in question is not their native.

So, Mercenary, no cigar, but nice try:-)

22nd October 2015, 09:41 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I am sorry to say that it will not happend again - a trip to Canada. I found it fantastic - but I hated the time of flying to Canada and over Canada to the west coast - thirteen hours of flying and about two hours of waiting. So much more I regret not to have contacted you. Jens

22nd October 2015, 10:06 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Ah, the Niagara falls, the Royal Ontario Museum, the CN tower ... all fascinating .

22nd October 2015, 10:28 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Jens, I am located in Ann Arbor, a delightful college town 1 hour drive from Windsor, Ontario. You are alway welcome. On top of that, I can give you a long tour of all our local microbreweries:-)

22nd October 2015, 10:39 PM	#4
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 428	Ariel, I see you have some time. Be so kind answere my post #72 .

24th October 2015, 02:47 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	You may find examples in: India: Art and Culture, 1300-1900. by Stuart Cary Welch It is available on Amazon, I just checked. It includes the famous one with the head of his son, Shah Jahan.

25th October 2015, 07:21 PM	#6
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 428	You should to learn other styles of Mughal daggers decoration. There was very beautiful Animal style and others. After that you will be able to understand that Mughals could not to present each other only "floral style" which you think was phul-katara ))

27th October 2015, 02:34 PM	#7
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	They did have a lot of figural styles Those with flowers and large plant motifs would be termed "floral", and those with animals would be "zoomorphic" I think. Also a lot defying any such simple classification.

31st October 2015, 01:00 PM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I spoke with native Hindi and Farsi speakers. It seems that Mercenary's theory in defining wootz as something like " floral ( or flowery) steel" is indeed mistaken. In Hindi flower is Ful, steel is Loha. In Farsi flower is Gol, and steel is Fulad. Thus, Fulad and Ful define two totally different things, and the only thing that "unites" them is partial homophony. It is indeed a confusing area, especially when two languages are compared or intermixed. Even in the same language there are confusing pairs: complement and compliment, for example. Or, even worse, horse and whores:-) People may make such mistakes very easily, especially when the language in question is not their native. So, Mercenary, no cigar, but nice try:-)