Tibetan helmet

dennee · 20th October 2015, 01:27 AM

That's a baanmok, a Lepcha knife from Sikkim. There are similarities to the working knives of Bhutan.

I have often wondered if the baanmok blades of the fullered type were made by Nepalese smiths.

kronckew · 20th October 2015, 10:06 AM

you are correct,

found this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by denee

The knife or short sword is the traditional "ban" of the Lepcha people, who principally came to live in remoter, forested valleys in Sikkim, but were found in Bhutan as well and across the Nepal border. Although it frequently appears as "Bhutanese," it is distinct (in length, blade shape and composition, scabbard and decoration) from the typical arms of the ethnically Tibetan Bhutias who migrated into the area and became the majority (at least before the influx of a great number of Nepalis to the area). I believe that Lord Egerton identifies such a piece as from Bhutan, as indeed it could have been made, used and collected there. A photographed example in his book is identified as from "Bhotan or Nepalese Frontier.".

endeavour192 · 25th October 2015, 04:42 PM

Thank you. What about thoses helmets ? Is it real old (18-19e century) ?
It is isupposed to be tibetan and bhutanese helmet.

Endeavour192, The posting of items currently at auction is strictly against forum rules.

Robert

Timo Nieminen · 26th October 2015, 11:04 AM

All the genuine ones I've seen are a bowl, with lamellar or textile defences hanging from it. The ones like this, with solid back and sides extended well below the front (or you could say that the front is cut-out for the eyes) have been fake. So I'd assume the left-hand (Tibetan) one to be fake.

The Bhutanese helmet looks genuine, as far as I can tell from the photo. Plausibly 19th century. The bowl could be older, with newer cloth.

Gavin Nugent · 26th October 2015, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endeavour192

Thank you. What about thoses helmets ? Is it real old (18-19e century) ?
It is isupposed to be tibetan and bhutanese helmet.

With both being auctioned I would not comment on either.

Gavin

endeavour192 · 27th October 2015, 12:15 AM

OK i understand !

Gavin Nugent · 27th October 2015, 02:28 PM

endeavour192,

If you want to view better Tibetan and Bhutan Helms, armour and arms, get yourself "Warriors of the Himalayas, rediscovering the arms and armor of Tibet" by Donald J LaRocca and "Bhutan, Mountain Fortress of the Gods", in particular the chapter within, "The Way to the Throne" by Francoise Pommaret.

Attached is one of mine that you may have seen?

Gavin

Battara · 28th October 2015, 12:26 AM

Since one of these items are from a current auction, this thread is closed.

25th October 2015, 04:42 PM	#3
endeavour192 Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 5	Himalayan helmets Thank you. What about thoses helmets ? Is it real old (18-19e century) ? It is isupposed to be tibetan and bhutanese helmet. Endeavour192, The posting of items currently at auction is strictly against forum rules. Robert Last edited by Robert; 26th October 2015 at 04:33 PM.

27th October 2015, 02:28 PM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	endeavour192, If you want to view better Tibetan and Bhutan Helms, armour and arms, get yourself "Warriors of the Himalayas, rediscovering the arms and armor of Tibet" by Donald J LaRocca and "Bhutan, Mountain Fortress of the Gods", in particular the chapter within, "The Way to the Throne" by Francoise Pommaret. Attached is one of mine that you may have seen? Gavin Attached Images

20th October 2015, 01:27 AM	#1
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	That's a baanmok, a Lepcha knife from Sikkim. There are similarities to the working knives of Bhutan. I have often wondered if the baanmok blades of the fullered type were made by Nepalese smiths.

26th October 2015, 11:04 AM	#4
Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	All the genuine ones I've seen are a bowl, with lamellar or textile defences hanging from it. The ones like this, with solid back and sides extended well below the front (or you could say that the front is cut-out for the eyes) have been fake. So I'd assume the left-hand (Tibetan) one to be fake. The Bhutanese helmet looks genuine, as far as I can tell from the photo. Plausibly 19th century. The bowl could be older, with newer cloth.

27th October 2015, 12:15 AM	#6
endeavour192 Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 5	OK i understand !

28th October 2015, 12:26 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Since one of these items are from a current auction, this thread is closed.