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Shakethetrees · 29th July 2015, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kmaddock

Hi Fernando
If you have any metal working friends you could re anneal the spring
First heat red hot and let cool slowly in very warm sand over period of few hours, I warm the sand in the oven and then put spring into the tray of sand back into oven and let it all cool down slowly, strictly a job when wives are out of the house.
It will now be soft and you will be able to bend it to desired stretch
Then heat it red hot and quench it in cold water to harden it, it now will be v hard and brittle
Next you heat to a blue colour and quench in oil, whale oil is recommended but I use engine oil
You will find this works perfectly and there is a great satisfaction in getting these old guns back operational
Lovely gun by the way congratulations on a fine acquisition
Regards
Ken

Please check it over well inside and out with a magnifying glass before you do any heat treating or bending!

I did this a while back and found out the hard way when it suddenly broke, turning it into a pattern for a new hand made spring!

Ken Maddock · 29th July 2015, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shakethetrees

Please check it over well inside and out with a magnifying glass before you do any heat treating or bending!

I did this a while back and found out the hard way when it suddenly broke, turning it into a pattern for a new hand made spring!

Hi
I assume you were looking for cracks, maybe a tread on home gun smithing tips and repair advice would be worth while.
I have a great method for removing stuck screws which I am going to employ tonight, I will photograph and show method and hopefully a positive result
regards
Ken

Shakethetrees · 29th July 2015, 03:21 PM

I look forward to your post, and I think a thread as you propose would be of benefit to this forum.

Is there some way to do it in both the European and Ethnographic categories, as it could benefit both.

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Originally Posted by Ken Maddock

Hi
I assume you were looking for cracks, maybe a tread on home gun smithing tips and repair advice would be worth while.
I have a great method for removing stuck screws which I am going to employ tonight, I will photograph and show method and hopefully a positive result
regards
Ken

fernando · 29th July 2015, 05:21 PM

I will have to ponder on the situation when i pick the gun from the stock maker. Will check if the frizzen stop and cam are complete and the problem doesn't reside there, which i don't think anyway. The guy that managed to unscrew the lock plate also tried to unscrew the frizzen spring and gave it up after some effort assuming, by experience, that this type of screw might brake instead of turning off. The stock maker, whom also is a gun smith of modern shot guns, didn't see with good eyes the idea of dismounting and retempering the spring. I don't have other resources around and, remember, this would be a case of having the thing functioning only for my visual satisfaction ... not for shooting. Finding an original spring with the correct shape out there, is not an easy adventure. Another not risky alternative would be, instead of placing a wooden wedge between the spring leaves, glue a little rigid (steel) bar over the superior leave so that, the spring would still tension up, while with the previous solution the spring gets rather stuck.
I am sorry if these 'solutions' are not esthetic but ... i just can't stand to have the frizzen dancing loose up and down.

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Marcus den toom · 29th July 2015, 06:01 PM

Why not just simply remove the pancover/frizzen instead and welt some material on the "toe"of the frizzen instead? The spring is still perfect, only the pan has been worn at the contact point (sorry for the inaccurate technical terms).

Also if you are really hell bent on getting the screw of the frizzen spring off than you could try heating the lockplate at that area from the opposite side (so not at the spring side, otherwise the spring will loos tension, but at the inside).

Norman McCormick · 29th July 2015, 06:28 PM

Hi Fernando,
You could try these people http://www.blackleyandson.com If they don't have a part to fit they will make it for you. Really nice gun you have there

My Regards,
Norman.

fernando · 29th July 2015, 07:01 PM

Thank you Marcus.
What you suggest is also under consideration.
But as i said, i have to check the frizzen toe (cam) although is the spring that looks like being in a too low position, if i compare it with others.

Thank you Norman,
Very good link indeed ... and close from here; went straigh to my favorites index, for whenever i need it

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29th July 2015, 05:21 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I will have to ponder on the situation when i pick the gun from the stock maker. Will check if the frizzen stop and cam are complete and the problem doesn't reside there, which i don't think anyway. The guy that managed to unscrew the lock plate also tried to unscrew the frizzen spring and gave it up after some effort assuming, by experience, that this type of screw might brake instead of turning off. The stock maker, whom also is a gun smith of modern shot guns, didn't see with good eyes the idea of dismounting and retempering the spring. I don't have other resources around and, remember, this would be a case of having the thing functioning only for my visual satisfaction ... not for shooting. Finding an original spring with the correct shape out there, is not an easy adventure. Another not risky alternative would be, instead of placing a wooden wedge between the spring leaves, glue a little rigid (steel) bar over the superior leave so that, the spring would still tension up, while with the previous solution the spring gets rather stuck. I am sorry if these 'solutions' are not esthetic but ... i just can't stand to have the frizzen dancing loose up and down. . . Attached Images

29th July 2015, 06:01 PM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Why not just simply remove the pancover/frizzen instead and welt some material on the "toe"of the frizzen instead? The spring is still perfect, only the pan has been worn at the contact point (sorry for the inaccurate technical terms). Also if you are really hell bent on getting the screw of the frizzen spring off than you could try heating the lockplate at that area from the opposite side (so not at the spring side, otherwise the spring will loos tension, but at the inside). Last edited by Marcus den toom; 29th July 2015 at 06:40 PM.

29th July 2015, 06:28 PM	#6
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi Fernando, You could try these people http://www.blackleyandson.com If they don't have a part to fit they will make it for you. Really nice gun you have there My Regards, Norman.

29th July 2015, 07:01 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Marcus. What you suggest is also under consideration. But as i said, i have to check the frizzen toe (cam) although is the spring that looks like being in a too low position, if i compare it with others. Thank you Norman, Very good link indeed ... and close from here; went straigh to my favorites index, for whenever i need it .