[Identification] Axe or Knife?

Oriental-Arms · 30th June 2015, 08:11 PM

Another exemplar

Mr. Philip Hartmann from the Netherlands suggested me that it is a chopper from Bali- Indonesia used in burial ceremonies

A. G. Maisey · 30th June 2015, 11:49 PM

The item shown in post #1 is Javanese. I'm uncertain of exactly where in Jawa, I'm inclined to think Central Jawa, but it could equally be either North Coast or East Jawa. I do not think it is from Madura.

It could be called a kudi, a bendho or a lukeh, depending on who was doing the naming.

Sajen · 30th June 2015, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

The item shown in post #1 is Javanese. I'm uncertain of exactly where in Jawa, I'm inclined to think Central Jawa, but it could equally be either North Coast or East Jawa. I do not think it is from Madura.

It could be called a kudi, a bendho or a lukeh, depending on who was doing the naming.

Hello Alan,

do you know if it was used as weapon, agricultural tool or as ceremonial knife?

Regards,
Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 1st July 2015, 02:46 AM

The one shown seems to be far too good a quality to be a tool.

In the Radyapustaka Museum in Solo there are more than a few examples of things that we think of as tools now, but which were clearly weapons in the past. Javanese society is a rural society, and a lot of Javanese weapons have a tool form.

I think we can forget ceremonial use.

Sajen · 1st July 2015, 07:19 AM

Thank you for your educated statement.

Regards,
Detlef

fireiceviper · 13th July 2015, 11:12 PM

The ones in the volkenkunde museum are all labeled "kapmes" though which roughly translates to "machete".

But i also agree its a lot of work for a simple machete...

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30th June 2015, 11:49 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	The item shown in post #1 is Javanese. I'm uncertain of exactly where in Jawa, I'm inclined to think Central Jawa, but it could equally be either North Coast or East Jawa. I do not think it is from Madura. It could be called a kudi, a bendho or a lukeh, depending on who was doing the naming.

1st July 2015, 02:46 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	The one shown seems to be far too good a quality to be a tool. In the Radyapustaka Museum in Solo there are more than a few examples of things that we think of as tools now, but which were clearly weapons in the past. Javanese society is a rural society, and a lot of Javanese weapons have a tool form. I think we can forget ceremonial use.

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Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,310	Thank you for your educated statement. Regards, Detlef

13th July 2015, 11:12 PM	#6
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	The ones in the volkenkunde museum are all labeled "kapmes" though which roughly translates to "machete". But i also agree its a lot of work for a simple machete...