Question for our Greek friends

Sylektis · 30th June 2015, 12:34 PM

The book may exist, but the full collection not anymore.
The collector has already given at auctions and from hand to hand most of the objects of his collections.
It is a common tactic. You first need to publish a "reference" book and then give the content at an auction. Guaranteed success.

Kubur · 11th July 2015, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sylektis

The book may exist, but the full collection not anymore.
The collector has already given at auctions and from hand to hand most of the objects of his collections.
It is a common tactic. You first need to publish a "reference" book and then give the content at an auction. Guaranteed success.

Hi Sylektis,
I know what you mean, it was done recently and the collection was sold in LA and London...
I just got these two items, is the ammunition box Greek or Turk?
The ramrod is from the Balkans, Albanian?
Best,
Kubur

rickystl · 11th July 2015, 05:15 PM

Hi Kubur.
That's a nice looking Suma rod and cartridge container.
The rod could be from most anywhere, but I'm going to say Ottoman for the moment. What is the overall length of the rod? And the length of the non-grip portion? That might give me a clue.
Cartridge container: I really like the embossing of the two warriors. Very neat. Greek or Turk? Hmmm.......could be either. The Greeks seemed to be fond of using human figures in their decorations. So I'm leaning in that direction.
Great looking set that would go well with a Kubur pistol

Thanks for Posting. Rick.

stelio · 12th July 2015, 11:17 PM

I send photo from my harbi .This type ramrod is from Sarajevo in the end of 18th century. Very famous type in 18th/19th,exported from Sarajevo to all ottoman empire area.My ramrod funded in Greece.
Stelios

rickystl · 13th July 2015, 12:24 AM

Hi Stelio.
That is a very nice loading rod. My compliments.
Rick.

stelio · 13th July 2015, 12:30 PM

Thank you rickystl.kubur I think the palaska is from balkan area because 1: the man up in the horse wearing fustanella,fustanella is the dress for Christians in ottoman empire. 2:I a think in ottoman empire the Muslims are not allowed by the religion to bring object human performances.
Stelios

Kubur · 13th July 2015, 01:51 PM

Thanks Stelios!
Very precise and useful.
Kubur

12th July 2015, 11:17 PM	#4
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	I send photo from my harbi .This type ramrod is from Sarajevo in the end of 18th century. Very famous type in 18th/19th,exported from Sarajevo to all ottoman empire area.My ramrod funded in Greece. Stelios Attached Images

30th June 2015, 12:34 PM	#1
Sylektis Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 138	The book may exist, but the full collection not anymore. The collector has already given at auctions and from hand to hand most of the objects of his collections. It is a common tactic. You first need to publish a "reference" book and then give the content at an auction. Guaranteed success.

11th July 2015, 05:15 PM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Hi Kubur. That's a nice looking Suma rod and cartridge container. The rod could be from most anywhere, but I'm going to say Ottoman for the moment. What is the overall length of the rod? And the length of the non-grip portion? That might give me a clue. Cartridge container: I really like the embossing of the two warriors. Very neat. Greek or Turk? Hmmm.......could be either. The Greeks seemed to be fond of using human figures in their decorations. So I'm leaning in that direction. Great looking set that would go well with a Kubur pistol Thanks for Posting. Rick.

13th July 2015, 12:24 AM	#5
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Hi Stelio. That is a very nice loading rod. My compliments. Rick.

13th July 2015, 12:30 PM	#6
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Thank you rickystl.kubur I think the palaska is from balkan area because 1: the man up in the horse wearing fustanella,fustanella is the dress for Christians in ottoman empire. 2:I a think in ottoman empire the Muslims are not allowed by the religion to bring object human performances. Stelios

13th July 2015, 01:51 PM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Thanks Stelios! Very precise and useful. Kubur