Danish??? Brown Bess

kahnjar1 · 26th June 2015, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Whether made by British private makers under contract to the Government or made to go or at elsewhere, isn't that monogram under a crown, an approach to the official GEORGE REX ?

Could be, but isn't the crown on English locks usually placed on the lock, between the hammer and the priming pan? Also I think the GR/VR or which ever monarch is involved, is not usually in this sort of script, but rather in seraphed letters?
Stu

fernando · 27th June 2015, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Could be, but isn't the crown on English locks usually placed on the lock, between the hammer and the priming pan? Also I think the GR/VR or which ever monarch is involved, is not usually in this sort of script, but rather in seraphed letters?
Stu

As i said, Stu, an approach ... otherwise ?

Raf · 27th June 2015, 01:42 PM

Im happy with the GR and crown .
True it doesn't conform to normal markings on an ordnance issue but I think we are agreed this isn't an ordnance musket ( no broad arrow or acceptance stamps ) but was probably made by a contractor who supplied parts to the ordnance system. The small rectangular stamp on the barrel ( SS ?) looks like a manufactures stamp in which case it should match a small stamp on the inside of the lockplate so its worth looking.

kahnjar1 · 27th June 2015, 10:04 PM

The pic posted by Raf shows a completely different lock and stamping to one posted earlier by James Kelly. I am confused, but then I am old........

Raf · 27th June 2015, 10:57 PM

To clarify . The picture I posted was from a 1760s sea service lock in order to show the lack of a frizzen bridle and the distinctive shape of the termination of the frizzen spring. Two features distinctive of sea service locks but not normally found on standard issue Brown Bess ordnance muskets .

thinreadline · 30th June 2015, 08:28 AM

The crown and Cypher on James' lock really does not look British at all . A private contractor supplying a non British Government source would be breaking the law by applying a British Royal Cypher to his work . The cypher looks more like CR to me and the crown a European one .... perhaps Charles XIII or XIV of Sweden ... just guessing ? Here is the GR cypher on one of my British military flintlocks ...

fernando · 24th July 2015, 06:47 PM

Guys, have a look to this thread:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17643.
Go figure why not a single member has commented on it .

Can you see the similarity between both 'not yet identified' crowned initials ?

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27th June 2015, 10:04 PM	#4
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,789	Which lock are we discussing here? The pic posted by Raf shows a completely different lock and stamping to one posted earlier by James Kelly. I am confused, but then I am old........

30th June 2015, 08:28 AM	#6
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	The crown and Cypher on James' lock really does not look British at all . A private contractor supplying a non British Government source would be breaking the law by applying a British Royal Cypher to his work . The cypher looks more like CR to me and the crown a European one .... perhaps Charles XIII or XIV of Sweden ... just guessing ? Here is the GR cypher on one of my British military flintlocks ... Attached Images

24th July 2015, 06:47 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Guys, have a look to this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17643. Go figure why not a single member has commented on it . Can you see the similarity between both 'not yet identified' crowned initials ? . Attached Images

27th June 2015, 01:42 PM	#3
Raf Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 252	Im happy with the GR and crown . True it doesn't conform to normal markings on an ordnance issue but I think we are agreed this isn't an ordnance musket ( no broad arrow or acceptance stamps ) but was probably made by a contractor who supplied parts to the ordnance system. The small rectangular stamp on the barrel ( SS ?) looks like a manufactures stamp in which case it should match a small stamp on the inside of the lockplate so its worth looking.

27th June 2015, 10:57 PM	#5
Raf Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 252	To clarify . The picture I posted was from a 1760s sea service lock in order to show the lack of a frizzen bridle and the distinctive shape of the termination of the frizzen spring. Two features distinctive of sea service locks but not normally found on standard issue Brown Bess ordnance muskets .