Another strange, non-textbook, parang - Page 2

kai · 19th December 2005, 08:19 PM

http://askari_mb.tripod.com/id84.htm

VVV · 19th December 2005, 08:21 PM

Thanks Zel and Tim,

Zel, is there any reference picture of an utak janap in your reference book?
What's the name of the book and is it in Tagalog?

Tim, interesting link. Maybe I should also try to find his book?

Michael

Tim Simmons · 19th December 2005, 08:26 PM

I have seen it for sale on two sites so far, one in Aus the other in the USA, for what I think is really very little indeed. Tim

kai · 19th December 2005, 08:39 PM

Thanks, Zel!

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelbone

I still think that both Michael's and RobT's swords are utak janaps which are Moro tools/weapons.

Do you have any pics of this pommel type and the tool version of an utak janap?

Quote:

the hilts also have the hybrid kakatua/horsehoof or nay kuray pommel (I believe that's the term...my reference book on this is being borrowed

What's the citation for this book?

Regards,
Kai

zelbone · 20th December 2005, 07:49 AM

Guys,
The book I have is a collection of journal articles written about the history and arts in Sulu. I don't have the book on hand right now since I loaned it out to a fellow collector, but I believe the title is Sulu Studies. In one chapter they do describe the utak janap and it's intended use and there might be an illustration. The copy I have is relatively recent and should be available....and it's in English. Sorry I don't have the ISBN number which would make locating a copy easier. You might want to search on the old forum because I believe I actually wrote about that book and gave all the pertinent information of finding it. Actually, there's some very valuable information in that book that any collector of Sulu weapons would find very useful. Like I said, I don't have the book right now, otherwise I'd have the information for all of you. As for a tool version of an utak janap, I saw one last year at Cecil Quirino's house when a few of us collectors here paid him a visit. It was pretty plain, but had a similar hilt. I should have bought it!

Regards,

Zel

Tim Simmons · 20th December 2005, 08:27 AM

What!!!!! You lend your books

Tim Simmons · 28th December 2005, 10:20 PM

Micheal,

I can be a bit slow but this parang is the same blade form as your Malay Semelai parang. This might mean blades supplied to a region with a specific taste. I also post a picture of a Senoi from the north with a stone axe. He has a parang without a scabbard, looks as if it could be a little bit hurty! thats not a real word. Tim

zamboanga · 29th December 2005, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelbone

Guys,
The book I have is a collection of journal articles written about the history and arts in Sulu. I don't have the book on hand right now since I loaned it out to a fellow collector, but I believe the title is Sulu Studies...

Regards,

Zel

zel,

Are you talking about the book or books by former priest Gerard Rixzon? I don't think it has an ISBN number. In fact most books printed locally that deal with Jolo culture and history (Rasul, Bruno, etc.) don't have ISBN numbers.

Also, the janap is also mentioned in this link as a "primitive trowel": http://kyotoreview.cseas.kyoto-u.ac....ticle_341.html

carlo

28th December 2005, 10:20 PM	#37
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Micheal, I can be a bit slow but this parang is the same blade form as your Malay Semelai parang. This might mean blades supplied to a region with a specific taste. I also post a picture of a Senoi from the north with a stone axe. He has a parang without a scabbard, looks as if it could be a little bit hurty! thats not a real word. Tim Attached Images

19th December 2005, 08:19 PM	#31
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	http://askari_mb.tripod.com/id84.htm

19th December 2005, 08:21 PM	#32
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Zel and Tim, Zel, is there any reference picture of an utak janap in your reference book? What's the name of the book and is it in Tagalog? Tim, interesting link. Maybe I should also try to find his book? Michael

19th December 2005, 08:26 PM	#33
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	I have seen it for sale on two sites so far, one in Aus the other in the USA, for what I think is really very little indeed. Tim

20th December 2005, 07:49 AM	#35
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	Guys, The book I have is a collection of journal articles written about the history and arts in Sulu. I don't have the book on hand right now since I loaned it out to a fellow collector, but I believe the title is Sulu Studies. In one chapter they do describe the utak janap and it's intended use and there might be an illustration. The copy I have is relatively recent and should be available....and it's in English. Sorry I don't have the ISBN number which would make locating a copy easier. You might want to search on the old forum because I believe I actually wrote about that book and gave all the pertinent information of finding it. Actually, there's some very valuable information in that book that any collector of Sulu weapons would find very useful. Like I said, I don't have the book right now, otherwise I'd have the information for all of you. As for a tool version of an utak janap, I saw one last year at Cecil Quirino's house when a few of us collectors here paid him a visit. It was pretty plain, but had a similar hilt. I should have bought it! Regards, Zel

20th December 2005, 08:27 AM	#36
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	What!!!!! You lend your books