KALIS BISAYA

Rick · 20th May 2015, 10:34 PM

It's a pommel style .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarimanok

Amuk Murugul · 18th June 2015, 07:02 AM

Hullo everybody!

Enjoy!

With ref. to 1st. photo:

TOP
Name: Matamata Bisaja
Classification: Kalis Poelogsa Sikoe Naga Mahesa Garantang BISAJA Kalamantan
Blade: LxOALxWxT=47x53x1.69x11.63cm.
Handle: Sari Pralamba
Note: 'square' tang cross-section

BOTTOM
Name: Djiwa Pahlawan
Classification: Kalis Siam Sikoe Lini BISAJA Kalamantan
Blade: LxOALxWxT=49x55x1.33x1.29cm.
Handle: Sari Pralamba
Note: interesting 'elephant's trunk' area

Sajen · 18th June 2015, 08:05 AM

Beautiful examples, thank you for sharing.

Are there scabbards with them?

Regards,
Detlef

Amuk Murugul · 18th June 2015, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Beautiful examples, thank you for sharing.

Are there scabbards with them?

Regards,
Detlef

Hullo Detlef,

Sorry, no original scabbards. As it was , I was lucky enough to rescue these pieces, especially the bottom one. It looked like it had been burnt. Both are 'works in progress' for the future.

Best,

Battara · 19th June 2015, 01:03 AM

Congratulations for saving these and many thanks for posting them.

Great condition too!

Rick · 19th June 2015, 01:21 AM

We have one Kalis with a round tang in your last picture, and one with a flattened tang .
Does this mean that one is Malay, and one Moro ?

They both would appear to be Moro without seeing the tangs .

Do we put another assumption to the test here; or have I forgotten something ??

It appears to me that the Malay/Moro line is becoming a bit blurred .

Amuk Murugul · 19th June 2015, 05:37 AM

Hullo Everybody!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Congratulations for saving these and many thanks for posting them.

Great condition too!

Hullo Battara,
Thank you. It took a lot of 'elbow-grease' to get them to the condition they are now in. Still needs some work, especially on the handles. On the bottom one, part of it was greasy charcoal, which I tried to remove without causing too much further damage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

We have one Kalis with a round tang in your last picture, and one with a flattened tang .
Does this mean that one is Malay, and one Moro ?
They both would appear to be Moro without seeing the tangs .

Do we put another assumption to the test here; or have I forgotten something ??

It appears to me that the Malay/Moro line is becoming a bit blurred .

Hullo Rick,
The 'round' tang is actually a square tang with smoothed corners.
They are both from the same people, the Bisaja, whom I consider to be essentially Malay. With every piece I own, I try to delve into the historical and cultural background of the people who owned it (as far as I can), to get a 'feel' for it. My attributations are based on my findings.
By 'Malay', I mean the Austronesians who populated the Malay Archipelago for millenia and who at times 'cross-pollinated' with each other.
There's nothing wrong with your method/approach/analysis. I just have a slightly different approach. ( In keris terms ... I simply follow a different pakem.). Sorry.

Best,

18th June 2015, 07:02 AM	#2
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	CURIOS Hullo everybody! Enjoy! With ref. to 1st. photo: TOP Name: Matamata Bisaja Classification: Kalis Poelogsa Sikoe Naga Mahesa Garantang BISAJA Kalamantan Blade: LxOALxWxT=47x53x1.69x11.63cm. Handle: Sari Pralamba Note: 'square' tang cross-section BOTTOM Name: Djiwa Pahlawan Classification: Kalis Siam Sikoe Lini BISAJA Kalamantan Blade: LxOALxWxT=49x55x1.33x1.29cm. Handle: Sari Pralamba Note: interesting 'elephant's trunk' area Attached Images Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 18th June 2015 at 11:24 PM.

20th May 2015, 10:34 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	It's a pommel style . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarimanok

18th June 2015, 08:05 AM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	Beautiful examples, thank you for sharing. Are there scabbards with them? Regards, Detlef

19th June 2015, 01:03 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Congratulations for saving these and many thanks for posting them. Great condition too!

19th June 2015, 01:21 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	We have one Kalis with a round tang in your last picture, and one with a flattened tang . Does this mean that one is Malay, and one Moro ? They both would appear to be Moro without seeing the tangs . Do we put another assumption to the test here; or have I forgotten something ?? It appears to me that the Malay/Moro line is becoming a bit blurred .