Reproduction hooded katars?

Kubur · 7th April 2015, 01:40 PM

"What kind of technique was used to imitate their heavy patination/thick black rust?"

You put the objects in the ground with water for few weeks then you will have some rust, clean the objects with an oily product and you will get the same patina. If you are in India or Tropical Africa, the rust will come very rapidly.
You can also use salt or rotten eggs...

Kubur

kronckew · 7th April 2015, 02:11 PM

i saw both those, and for the fun of it turned in a small bid on both to get the ball rolling, i bid less than the postage, knowing it would soon grow. i was suspicious of the thin katar blades, and the flathead screws on the the patas the brass looked thin & shoddy too, so i never increased my bid. was amazed at ho high they finally sold for.

estcrh · 7th April 2015, 02:42 PM

I sent the seller a message that the items from these two auctions were "reproductions", they have a 100% rating and quite probably did not realize that these items were not authentic antiques. Unfortunately some buyers have now wasted their money, at some point they will realize that these items are not antiques. The seller can do the right thing and at least look into the possibility that they were fooled when they bought these fakes. If they are honest they can still cancel the sale.

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blue lander · 7th April 2015, 07:15 PM

I found 4 identical katars on the local Craigslist. Seller wants $2500. I'd post the link but its an ongoing sale

Seller wants cash and to be rid of them by tomorrow. In Baltimore

Interestingly, this post went up 10 days ago so it might be unrelated to the eBay sale.

kahnjar1 · 7th April 2015, 09:08 PM

I think that this thread is very timely as there is a real rash of what in my opinion are "suspect" items for sale/auction at present on a well known website. These items are being sold from India and in many cases are described as "rare" and "old". Better described IMHO as "common" and "new"
BE VERY CAREFUL

ashoka · 12th April 2015, 12:42 PM

At the risk of appearing totally clueless... I see nothing in these katars that suggests they are new fakes to me. They look totally typical South Indian Katars of this species 17th-18th c. Original condition 'lump of rust' and then polished rajasthan style with an angle grinder/and buffing wheel. In my opinion they are genuine - there are many around. nothing suggests otherwise to me. The quality of this type varies a lot from magnificent to very poor quality.

estcrh · 13th April 2015, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ashoka

At the risk of appearing totally clueless... I see nothing in these katars that suggests they are new fakes to me. They look totally typical South Indian Katars of this species 17th-18th c. Original condition 'lump of rust' and then polished rajasthan style with an angle grinder/and buffing wheel. In my opinion they are genuine - there are many around. nothing suggests otherwise to me. The quality of this type varies a lot from magnificent to very poor quality.

Its good to hear some different opinions, how about the two pata?

Roland_M · 13th April 2015, 03:05 PM

[QUOTE=ashoka]At the risk of appearing totally clueless... I see nothing in these katars that suggests they are new fakes to me. QUOTE]

Four different blades with exactly the same state of corrosion after 200-300 years? Never!
Forging job is poor, the decoration is extremely poor, the steel quality seems to be below average. I can see no pattern welded steel and also no wootz, just trash.

Chinese and Africans are highly skilled in artificially aging of metal or wood and it is not so hard as you may think.

Kind Regards Roland

7th April 2015, 07:15 PM	#4
blue lander Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456	I found 4 identical katars on the local Craigslist. Seller wants $2500. I'd post the link but its an ongoing sale Seller wants cash and to be rid of them by tomorrow. In Baltimore Interestingly, this post went up 10 days ago so it might be unrelated to the eBay sale. Last edited by blue lander; 7th April 2015 at 07:30 PM.

7th April 2015, 09:08 PM	#5
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,789	A TIMELY REMINDER I think that this thread is very timely as there is a real rash of what in my opinion are "suspect" items for sale/auction at present on a well known website. These items are being sold from India and in many cases are described as "rare" and "old". Better described IMHO as "common" and "new" BE VERY CAREFUL

12th April 2015, 12:42 PM	#6
ashoka Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 61	At the risk of appearing totally clueless... I see nothing in these katars that suggests they are new fakes to me. They look totally typical South Indian Katars of this species 17th-18th c. Original condition 'lump of rust' and then polished rajasthan style with an angle grinder/and buffing wheel. In my opinion they are genuine - there are many around. nothing suggests otherwise to me. The quality of this type varies a lot from magnificent to very poor quality. Last edited by ashoka; 12th April 2015 at 01:55 PM.

7th April 2015, 01:40 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	"What kind of technique was used to imitate their heavy patination/thick black rust?" You put the objects in the ground with water for few weeks then you will have some rust, clean the objects with an oily product and you will get the same patina. If you are in India or Tropical Africa, the rust will come very rapidly. You can also use salt or rotten eggs... Kubur

7th April 2015, 02:11 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	i saw both those, and for the fun of it turned in a small bid on both to get the ball rolling, i bid less than the postage, knowing it would soon grow. i was suspicious of the thin katar blades, and the flathead screws on the the patas the brass looked thin & shoddy too, so i never increased my bid. was amazed at ho high they finally sold for.

7th April 2015, 02:42 PM	#3
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	I sent the seller a message that the items from these two auctions were "reproductions", they have a 100% rating and quite probably did not realize that these items were not authentic antiques. Unfortunately some buyers have now wasted their money, at some point they will realize that these items are not antiques. The seller can do the right thing and at least look into the possibility that they were fooled when they bought these fakes. If they are honest they can still cancel the sale. goodfindsmine (84 ), 100% Positive feedback

13th April 2015, 03:05 PM	#8
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	[QUOTE=ashoka]At the risk of appearing totally clueless... I see nothing in these katars that suggests they are new fakes to me. QUOTE] Four different blades with exactly the same state of corrosion after 200-300 years? Never! Forging job is poor, the decoration is extremely poor, the steel quality seems to be below average. I can see no pattern welded steel and also no wootz, just trash. Chinese and Africans are highly skilled in artificially aging of metal or wood and it is not so hard as you may think. Kind Regards Roland