Ivory hilted Kris on ebay

Rick · 12th December 2005, 11:31 PM

It's only a hunk of ivory folks ,not even a scabbard ; move along ......

Battara · 13th December 2005, 01:17 AM

Well, Tagalanao, years ago I paid around $250-300.00 on eBay (would have to go back to my records to find the correct amount). It was without scabbard and a 1920s blade. I tested the material and it is swaasa and silver bands with ivory. I have since made a scabbard for it, also with silver and swaasa bands.

The one you posted is really nice and it looks like there are swaasa and silver bands as well.

By the way, here are pictures of the scabbard and hilt just for fun

(I'll look for a closeup of one of the bands and post later):

BluErf · 13th December 2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Well, Tagalanao, years ago I paid around $250-300.00 on eBay (would have to go back to my records to find the correct amount).

You lucky guy!

I don't even want to remind myself of the amount I paid for my Mindanao kris...

kino · 13th December 2005, 01:30 PM

IMO, the ivory hilted Barung's beak had broken off and had been reshaped. It looks off balance with a large plume (0.02).

VVV · 13th December 2005, 01:53 PM

Kino,
I asked the seller about it but he sent me a picture that didn't show any signs of a break. Maybe it broke off a long time ago?
Anyway I also think it looks unbalanced no matter what.

Michael

Spunjer · 13th December 2005, 04:50 PM

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I put a bid on that barung, but didn't want to pay more for something that wasn't fully intact. I'm surprised that it went for so much. Anyways, I'm with you that it couldn't have been ivory. If I had won that barung, I would have had a new pommel carved out of carabao horn to compliment the brass punto. Carabao horn would have been more appropriate than ivory in this case IMHO.

wow! forgot all about this one, lol. junggayan barung hypnotized me. yup, it did go for a pretty penny for something that's not complete. as for an ivory pommel, i was checking cato's book and found this one on page 35 (plate 17). it look sharp with ivory cap, but like you said zel, with the brass punto (or is it?), i and i thinks karrbaw horn would look even sharper...

as for the ivory; it prolly broke in its early years and was worked on to blend with the rest...

Battara · 14th December 2005, 12:32 AM

Of course, if it had an ivory beak, it could have gone for $2000.

VANDOO - art investment? Hadn't thought of that.

BluErf - I was very lucky. The pictures were terrible and thus I was the only one bidding on it. Yet I could see the potential beyond the pictures and asked for extra emailed pictures.

I also agree with the other barung being not of ivory. Silver at most but probably horn or brass.

Battara · 13th December 2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

It's only a hunk of ivory folks ,not even a scabbard ; move along ......

But Rick, it's so nice and shiney.

Never mind not having the money at this time (

), the only thing that bothers me about this barong is the style - no beak.

VANDOO · 13th December 2005, 02:30 AM

YEP!! TIME TO MOVE ON THOSE TWO ITEMS HAVE CROSSED OVER FROM ETHINOGRAPHIC WEAPON TO THE ART INVESTMENT SIDE AND THE AIR IS WAY TOO THIN UP THERE FOR ME. THEY WERE PRETTY AND SHINEY THOUGH

Rick · 13th December 2005, 02:37 AM

I was wondering about the lack o' beak myself , hmmmmmmm ...

Oh yeah , I'll never have that kind of money to blow .

Bill · 13th December 2005, 04:05 AM

I was going to bid on this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT ; nice old piece. Don't worry about the beak, the whole pummel is gone; could of been ivory at one time, but still went for a good buck.

zamboanga · 13th December 2005, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill

I was going to bid on this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT ; nice old piece. Don't worry about the beak, the whole pummel is gone; could of been ivory at one time, but still went for a good buck.

Nice shandigan blade. IMHO the pommel could not have been ivory. it wouldn't have been a match to the brass ferrule. Just my opinion though.

zelbone · 13th December 2005, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by zamboanga

Nice shandigan blade. IMHO the pommel could not have been ivory. it wouldn't have been a match to the brass ferrule. Just my opinion though.

I put a bid on that barung, but didn't want to pay more for something that wasn't fully intact. I'm surprised that it went for so much. Anyways, I'm with you that it couldn't have been ivory. If I had won that barung, I would have had a new pommel carved out of carabao horn to compliment the brass punto. Carabao horn would have been more appropriate than ivory in this case IMHO.

Ian · 13th December 2005, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

I was wondering about the lack o' beak myself , hmmmmmmm ...

I think it is intact, Rick. Just one of the more minimal kakatua in terms of the beak. Must say it is a nice piece of ivory carving.

13th December 2005, 01:17 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Well, Tagalanao, years ago I paid around $250-300.00 on eBay (would have to go back to my records to find the correct amount). It was without scabbard and a 1920s blade. I tested the material and it is swaasa and silver bands with ivory. I have since made a scabbard for it, also with silver and swaasa bands. The one you posted is really nice and it looks like there are swaasa and silver bands as well. By the way, here are pictures of the scabbard and hilt just for fun (I'll look for a closeup of one of the bands and post later): Attached Images

12th December 2005, 11:31 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	It's only a hunk of ivory folks ,not even a scabbard ; move along ......

13th December 2005, 01:30 PM	#4
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	IMO, the ivory hilted Barung's beak had broken off and had been reshaped. It looks off balance with a large plume (0.02).

13th December 2005, 01:53 PM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Kino, I asked the seller about it but he sent me a picture that didn't show any signs of a break. Maybe it broke off a long time ago? Anyway I also think it looks unbalanced no matter what. Michael

14th December 2005, 12:32 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Of course, if it had an ivory beak, it could have gone for $2000. VANDOO - art investment? Hadn't thought of that. BluErf - I was very lucky. The pictures were terrible and thus I was the only one bidding on it. Yet I could see the potential beyond the pictures and asked for extra emailed pictures. I also agree with the other barung being not of ivory. Silver at most but probably horn or brass.

13th December 2005, 02:30 AM	#9
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	YEP!! TIME TO MOVE ON THOSE TWO ITEMS HAVE CROSSED OVER FROM ETHINOGRAPHIC WEAPON TO THE ART INVESTMENT SIDE AND THE AIR IS WAY TOO THIN UP THERE FOR ME. THEY WERE PRETTY AND SHINEY THOUGH

13th December 2005, 02:37 AM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	I was wondering about the lack o' beak myself , hmmmmmmm ... Oh yeah , I'll never have that kind of money to blow .

13th December 2005, 04:05 AM	#11
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	I was going to bid on this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT ; nice old piece. Don't worry about the beak, the whole pummel is gone; could of been ivory at one time, but still went for a good buck.