My gunong collection and some thoughts

VANDOO · 19th March 2015, 01:00 AM

QUITE A NICE DISPLAY AND CONGRADULATIONS ON AQUIRING SUCH AN UNUSUAL KNIFE.
I SAW THIS EXAMPLE OF PISTOL KNIFE SELL A WHILE BACK AS A CIVIL WAR BOWIE WITH A 7 INCH BLADE. IT LOOKS VERY SIMULAR, SO I PUT IT HERE FOR COMPARISON. I WONDER WHEN AND WHERE THESE WERE MADE. PERHAPS SPANISH AMERICAN WAR ERA OR SHORTLY THERE AFTER?

Rick · 19th March 2015, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

QUITE A NICE DISPLAY AND CONGRADULATIONS ON AQUIRING SUCH AN UNUSUAL KNIFE.
I SAW THIS EXAMPLE OF PISTOL KNIFE SELL A WHILE BACK AS A CIVIL WAR BOWIE WITH A 7 INCH BLADE. IT LOOKS VERY SIMULAR, SO I PUT IT HERE FOR COMPARISON. I WONDER WHEN AND WHERE THESE WERE MADE. PERHAPS SPANISH AMERICAN WAR ERA OR SHORTLY THERE AFTER?

I think this is Philippine too Barry .
Mindanao ?

Spunjer · 19th March 2015, 02:40 AM

yup. philippines (mindanao). i notice the subtle ukil close to the handle..

Sajen · 19th March 2015, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VANDOO

QUITE A NICE DISPLAY AND CONGRADULATIONS ON AQUIRING SUCH AN UNUSUAL KNIFE.
I SAW THIS EXAMPLE OF PISTOL KNIFE SELL A WHILE BACK AS A CIVIL WAR BOWIE WITH A 7 INCH BLADE. IT LOOKS VERY SIMULAR, SO I PUT IT HERE FOR COMPARISON. I WONDER WHEN AND WHERE THESE WERE MADE. PERHAPS SPANISH AMERICAN WAR ERA OR SHORTLY THERE AFTER?

Thank you Barry.

And also many thanks for posting this interesting example for comparison. It is the third gunong in this style I ever have seen. Regarding the age of all three here shown examples I think that they WWII examples since by all three examples aluminium is used, a sign of this area IMVHO. And maybe all three coming from the same workshop.

Regards,
Detlef

Gehazi · 19th March 2015, 07:26 PM

absolutely love the faux pistol blades, great collection!

Sajen · 20th March 2015, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gehazi

absolutely love the faux pistol blades, great collection!

Thank you Gehazi.

Regards,
Detlef

Rick · 21st March 2015, 12:26 AM

I'll risk a guess that they're pre-WW2 .

1920's-'30's ?

Robert · 21st March 2015, 01:10 AM

I have always wondered about the use of aluminium in the Philippines being used as a measurement of possible age. Quite a few threads here on the forum point to WWII as the starting point, but I know the US Army was using aluminium for the making of their canteens during the Spanish American War. I wonder how many other items that they used were made of this material as well? This could point to items like this having possibly being made much earlier than the WWII date we have been using when discussing these items.

Best,
Robert

Rick · 21st March 2015, 02:32 AM

Here's another thing to consider; the examples we have seen so far (okay, we haven't seen a lot) are all of revolver form .
I think this points to pre-WW2 otherwise we would see model 1911 45 caliber copies, no ?

Sajen · 18th July 2016, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

QUITE A NICE DISPLAY AND CONGRADULATIONS ON AQUIRING SUCH AN UNUSUAL KNIFE.
I SAW THIS EXAMPLE OF PISTOL KNIFE SELL A WHILE BACK AS A CIVIL WAR BOWIE WITH A 7 INCH BLADE. IT LOOKS VERY SIMULAR, SO I PUT IT HERE FOR COMPARISON. I WONDER WHEN AND WHERE THESE WERE MADE. PERHAPS SPANISH AMERICAN WAR ERA OR SHORTLY THERE AFTER?

Here another very nice one which was listed several times by ebay but extreme expensive and wrong described as made from a blacksmith from Texas!

Sajen · 18th July 2016, 05:21 PM

Here all four examples side by side for comparision.

Robert · 20th July 2016, 05:01 PM

Another great addition to your ever growing family of gunong Detlef. I really like the mother of pearl grips on this one. One day I hope to find one of these to add to my own small collection of gunong. Congratulations on another great score.

Best,
Robert

Sajen · 20th July 2016, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert

Another great addition to your ever growing family of gunong Detlef. I really like the mother of pearl grips on this one. One day I hope to find one of these to add to my own small collection of gunong. Congratulations on another great score.

Best,
Robert

Hello Robert,

no, not a new addition to my collection, sadly. It was far to expensive with nearly $500!

I only want to show another one of this seldom seen type of gunong. About one year ago I've contacted the seller and told him that this dagger isn't for sure made from a blacksmith in Texas but from one at the Philippines but he never respond.

Best regards,
Detlef

Robert · 20th July 2016, 09:01 PM

That is a shame as it would have found a good home with lots of new friends. I have run into sellers before that have been told something outlandish about an item they have by a "so call expert" and there was absolutely no way possible to convince them otherwise. Even showing them published examples with the correct information about the item would not change their minds.

Best,
Robert

Battara · 20th July 2016, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert

That is a shame as it would have found a good home with lots of new friends. I have run into sellers before that have been told something outlandish about an item they have by a "so call expert" and there was absolutely no way possible to convince them otherwise. Even showing them published examples with the correct information about the item would not change their minds.

Best,
Robert

Robert I have often found the same thing, and then figure out that the dealers paid way too much and so need to stiff others to get their money back out if the item.

Sajen · 20th July 2016, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert

That is a shame as it would have found a good home with lots of new friends. I have run into sellers before that have been told something outlandish about an item they have by a "so call expert" and there was absolutely no way possible to convince them otherwise. Even showing them published examples with the correct information about the item would not change their minds.

I've shown the seller also the pictures of the here shown other examples but like said don't get respond. It could be that Jose hit the bull's eye.
Here a part of the sellers description: You are bidding on a one of a kind custom made 1890's Gun Handled Boot Knife with its custom made leather sheath. It is absolutely perfect in every way. I was told by the person that I purchased the knife from that this knife was purchased many years ago from the great grandson of the maker of the knife - a blacksmith from San Antonio, Texas. The knife measures 8 1/8 inches long by 4 1/8 inches wide, and the blade is 1/4 inch at its widest point. The blade is accented with a simplistic geometric design. The handles are made of mother-of-pearl.

19th March 2015, 01:00 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	QUITE A NICE DISPLAY AND CONGRADULATIONS ON AQUIRING SUCH AN UNUSUAL KNIFE. I SAW THIS EXAMPLE OF PISTOL KNIFE SELL A WHILE BACK AS A CIVIL WAR BOWIE WITH A 7 INCH BLADE. IT LOOKS VERY SIMULAR, SO I PUT IT HERE FOR COMPARISON. I WONDER WHEN AND WHERE THESE WERE MADE. PERHAPS SPANISH AMERICAN WAR ERA OR SHORTLY THERE AFTER? Attached Images

18th July 2016, 05:21 PM	#11
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,309	Here all four examples side by side for comparision. Attached Images

19th March 2015, 02:40 AM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	yup. philippines (mindanao). i notice the subtle ukil close to the handle..

19th March 2015, 07:26 PM	#5
Gehazi Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: TN, USA Posts: 21	absolutely love the faux pistol blades, great collection!

21st March 2015, 12:26 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	I'll risk a guess that they're pre-WW2 . 1920's-'30's ?

21st March 2015, 01:10 AM	#8
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I have always wondered about the use of aluminium in the Philippines being used as a measurement of possible age. Quite a few threads here on the forum point to WWII as the starting point, but I know the US Army was using aluminium for the making of their canteens during the Spanish American War. I wonder how many other items that they used were made of this material as well? This could point to items like this having possibly being made much earlier than the WWII date we have been using when discussing these items. Best, Robert

21st March 2015, 02:32 AM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	Here's another thing to consider; the examples we have seen so far (okay, we haven't seen a lot) are all of revolver form . I think this points to pre-WW2 otherwise we would see model 1911 45 caliber copies, no ?

20th July 2016, 05:01 PM	#12
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Another great addition to your ever growing family of gunong Detlef. I really like the mother of pearl grips on this one. One day I hope to find one of these to add to my own small collection of gunong. Congratulations on another great score. Best, Robert

20th July 2016, 09:01 PM	#14
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	That is a shame as it would have found a good home with lots of new friends. I have run into sellers before that have been told something outlandish about an item they have by a "so call expert" and there was absolutely no way possible to convince them otherwise. Even showing them published examples with the correct information about the item would not change their minds. Best, Robert