Silver Badik with unusual triangular blade

[kronckew]

i like that.

i have heard of knives that have been static on one location for a long time gaining magnetism as the iron slowly aligns itself with the local earth field. i set little credence in it until one pf mine did. it could pick up a small paper clip. can't remember which one it was now,

my badik no. one is simpler, like your other one, badek no. two is pamour bladed. note the swirl near the bolster, your black handled one seems to have a similar swirl in the pattern welding.

[CharlesS]

I would certainly have thought this was a European bayonet blade that had been cut down, but if that's a pamor pattern I am seeing in the pics, that throws out my theory.

Great, interesting, piece under any circumstances.

[Spunjer]

huh... i got a similar one. now this has my interest piqued. kinda like tres kantos from the Philippines. there was a label on mine that says "Senjata Tusuk, Sulawesi". if i'm not mistaken, that could be roughly translated as "stabbing weapon", which makes me wonder whoever wrote it probably made it up. but then again, you never know...
the blade is definitely laminated, Indo style. handle is made out of carabao horn. scabbard has rattan wraps, with the toe made out of bone or ivory, i'm not quite sure.
measurements is as follows:
length of blade = 9" (23cm)
total length in scabbard = 13.5" (35cm)
thanks for posting this, Roland!

[Roland_M]

Thank you very much Spunier for showing me your Badik with triangular blade.

I think, it is worth the effort to polish your blade and maybe etching it. The difference might be huge. Some people refuse to touch old blades but i think as japanese. A good blade must have a good polish.

But it is quite difficult to polish a triangular blade without destroying its shape. If you are unexperienced, it would not be the best blade to start with.

If you want, i can do the polishing job for you for nothing more than the shipping costs and maybe the sandpaper and Steel wool. I really like it and i still learning much about steel during the job.

Best wishes Roland

[Sajen]

Hello Roland,

never seen a badik like this, very unusual. I have a badik from Salayar island but with a starlike cross section, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=badik
The scabbard/fittings again very similar to one from my collection which I think is from Sulawasi. When you want I can post pictures from it.
Nice and unusual catch, congrats.

Regards,
Detlef

[Roland_M]

Hello Detlef,

Tank you for your warm words. I already know your blade, it was a reason to buy my one.
Here are some pictures of the sheath.
The Badik received sometimes a strong hit on the back of the hilt. I hope, it can be restored. I am looking for a specialst for this Job.

Best wishes Roland

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Spunjer

there was a label on mine that says "Senjata Tusuk, Sulawesi". if i'm not mistaken, that could be roughly translated as "stabbing weapon", which makes me wonder whoever wrote it probably made it up. but then again, you never know...

Hello Ron,

yours is also a very nice and unusual example. "Tusuk" mean needle/spit so your translation is correct. I still would call it badik.

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

Here some fast taken pictures from my badik with similar fittings like Rolands example but with a "usual" blade shape.

[Spunjer]

thank you for the translation, Detlef! in tagalog, "tusuk" means to poke, or stab. somewhat similar. a question tho; is the round base a particular trait in Sulawesi? I notice on some of the kerises, it has this particular piece. kinda like a stand...

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Spunjer

thank you for the translation, Detlef! in tagalog, "tusuk" means to poke, or stab. somewhat similar. a question tho; is the round base a particular trait in Sulawesi? I notice on some of the kerises, it has this particular piece. kinda like a stand...

Yes Ron, tagalog and bahasa Indonesia are both Malay languages and this is not the only analogy, senjata you will understand for sure.
The round base (buntut) is not only found by scabbards from Sulawesi but also in other parts of Indonesia but again mainly Bugis influenced parts. Malay keris scabbards can have this also.

Regards,
Detlef

[Roland_M]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

I would certainly have thought this was a European bayonet blade that had been cut down, but if that's a pamor pattern I am seeing in the pics, that throws out my theory.

Great, interesting, piece under any circumstances.

European socket bayonet blade was a theory of one colleague of mine, during i was waiting for the blade. The shock was so big, my heart stops to pound for almost one Minute but at least for a few seconds.

[Roland_M]

Originally Posted by kronckew

i like that.

i have heard of knives that have been static on one location for a long time gaining magnetism as the iron slowly aligns itself with the local earth field. i set little credence in it until one pf mine did. it could pick up a small paper clip. can't remember which one it was now,

my badik no. one is simpler, like your other one, badek no. two is pamour bladed. note the swirl near the bolster, your black handled one seems to have a similar swirl in the pattern welding.

Thank you for your answer, an interesting theory. Only the tip and the first 5 mm are magnetic and there is no other type of steel, the pattern running through the whole surface. Quite strange.

I would polish the blade with the black hilt, the loss of material is not too big but your blade can became a real eyecandy.

Thank you for showing.


Best wishes Roland

[David]

Originally Posted by kronckew

i have heard of knives that have been static on one location for a long time gaining magnetism as the iron slowly aligns itself with the local earth field. i set little credence in it until one pf mine did. it could pick up a small paper clip. can't remember which one it was now,

Every single one of my keris has a magnetic charge Wayne. If it isn't already activated it can easily be done simply by holding the tip of the blade to a strong magnet for a few seconds.

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by David

Every single one of my keris has a magnetic charge Wayne. If it isn't already activated it can easily be done simply by holding the tip of the blade to a strong magnet for a few seconds.

that's cheating tho, i was referring to naturally magnetised blades. any piece of iron or carbon steel can be magnetized using another strong magnet, or electromagnet. magnetic kitchen knife racks a noted example. some knife sheaths for modern knives incorporate a strong neodymium magnet to hold the knife in rather than a strap. i imagine that also would impart a magnetic charge on the blade. i've heard of someone who could magnetise a steel rod by hitting it on one end with a hammer to align the molecules. never tried that tho.

you can DE-magnatise iron by heating it to the curie temp (roughly 750C) but it must then be re heat treated and tempered, not recommended for a finished blade. electric degaussers would be better.

as this temp is reached during forging, carbon steel blades are initially non-magnetic, picking up a charge later in life.

some people have success degaussing by repeatedly dropping a magnetised tool on a hard floor, that again changes the magnetic field, but randomly. kinda rough on a knife tho.

[Roland_M]

[QUOTE=kronckew] any piece of iron or carbon steel can be magnetized using another strong magnet, or electromagnet.[QUOTE]

Hello,
no question about this. But this magnetism would not be permanent.
I swear, i never manipulate the blade and the sheath is made from wood and silver.

[David]

[QUOTE=Roland_M][QUOTE=kronckew] any piece of iron or carbon steel can be magnetized using another strong magnet, or electromagnet.

Hello,
no question about this. But this magnetism would not be permanent.
I swear, i never manipulate the blade and the sheath is made from wood and silver.

Roland, i am not sure what permanent would be since none of us are, but i can assure you that in my lifetime none of the blades i have activated have ever lost their magnetism, even many years later.