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corrado26 · 23rd February 2015, 08:06 AM

How large is the blade directly under the quillon in cm, please?
corrado26

Shakethetrees · 25th February 2015, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

How large is the blade directly under the quillon in cm, please?
corrado26

Across the width of the ricasso right next to the cross guard is 27mm.

corrado26 · 25th February 2015, 07:14 AM

I have the suspision that this object could have been made from an Austrian bajonett M 1854 for the Lorenz-rifle. This bajonet has a width at the end of its blade of 26,9mm.
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M ELEY · 25th February 2015, 02:16 PM

Hmmm...The hilt on this piece looks exactly as you guessed, 17th. The blade has honest aging/patina to it. There were certainly ribbed blades with expanded bolsters at this time to aid in armor-piercing. Yes, many bayonet blades had this feature, but I think yours is original to the piece. Not my area, but some research might turn up similar pieces with the thickened/ribbed ridge blade?

Shakethetrees · 25th February 2015, 04:39 PM

The "flanges" of the blade are very thin, almost razor-like. The taper is unlike the taper of the Lorenz, and all other socket bayonets I have see over the years.

In looking at the pommel button and the guard/blade interface, I do not believe it has been apart.

I have un hilted many blades in order to do restoration.i understand how to "cover the tracks" when reassembling. This piece does not have the tell-tale signs of ever having been un-hilted.

I may have access to a Lorenz bayonet. If I can find it, I will add side by side comparison images.

Will M · 25th February 2015, 05:25 PM

What is the width 10" from the guard? I have a Lorenz bayonet and I don't believe it looks as wide that far out.

fernando · 25th February 2015, 07:35 PM

Hi Shakethetrees,
Try and trim the size of your images before you upload them; they may well do with 'half of the height'

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Concerning your interesting piece and not having the knowledge to precise what it is about, i too suspect that all three parts come from different provenance. I have a fantasy that the handle may have belonged in a hunting sword and the guard in a stiletto... but don't pay much notice to my inconsistent opinion

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25th February 2015, 07:14 AM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	I have the suspision that this object could have been made from an Austrian bajonett M 1854 for the Lorenz-rifle. This bajonet has a width at the end of its blade of 26,9mm. corrado26 Attached Images

23rd February 2015, 08:06 AM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	How large is the blade directly under the quillon in cm, please? corrado26

25th February 2015, 02:16 PM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Hmmm...The hilt on this piece looks exactly as you guessed, 17th. The blade has honest aging/patina to it. There were certainly ribbed blades with expanded bolsters at this time to aid in armor-piercing. Yes, many bayonet blades had this feature, but I think yours is original to the piece. Not my area, but some research might turn up similar pieces with the thickened/ribbed ridge blade?

25th February 2015, 04:39 PM	#5
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	The "flanges" of the blade are very thin, almost razor-like. The taper is unlike the taper of the Lorenz, and all other socket bayonets I have see over the years. In looking at the pommel button and the guard/blade interface, I do not believe it has been apart. I have un hilted many blades in order to do restoration.i understand how to "cover the tracks" when reassembling. This piece does not have the tell-tale signs of ever having been un-hilted. I may have access to a Lorenz bayonet. If I can find it, I will add side by side comparison images.

25th February 2015, 05:25 PM	#6
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 394	What is the width 10" from the guard? I have a Lorenz bayonet and I don't believe it looks as wide that far out.

25th February 2015, 07:35 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Shakethetrees, Try and trim the size of your images before you upload them; they may well do with 'half of the height' . Concerning your interesting piece and not having the knowledge to precise what it is about, i too suspect that all three parts come from different provenance. I have a fantasy that the handle may have belonged in a hunting sword and the guard in a stiletto... but don't pay much notice to my inconsistent opinion .