Turkish flintlock pistol nicely decorated

estcrh · 4th February 2015, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Woaw it is a hard question.
To be honest I should say nothing.
BUT for me, Turkish is a population from Central Asia.
After the collapse of Ottoman Empire, Ataturk started the process of Turkification and laid the bases of Modern Turkey.
To my own and personnal knowledge, these pistols were produced in the Balkans for the Ottomans. But they are not Turks.
The Ottomans also used Caucasian pistols...
May be I'm wrong... You decide.

Kuber, thanks for your reply, and I appreciate your thoughts. In my opinion I have yet to see any distinct evidence that the basic pistol such as the one Cerjak has posted is anything other than an Ottoman pistol. "Ottoman" to me means more than a period of time, it was an empire composed of many different cultures, countries and regions.

When I see weapons and or armor that originated in the Ottoman empire and there is no distinct sign of it being made or used by any particular region, country etc I call the item "Ottoman", such as an Ottoman kilij, on the other hand when an item is known to have come from a distinct region/country that was part of the Ottoman empire I use that region/country in the discription (Ottoman Empire Albanian "Rat Tail" Flint Pistol) or (Ottoman Empire Balkan yatagan).

This is just my opinion based what I have read and observed.

BANDOOK · 5th February 2015, 11:05 AM

could someone roughly date my pistols which I posted,kubur could help,cheers

Kubur · 5th February 2015, 11:56 AM

Of course, they are almost like mine.
I would say 1800 - 1840 AD. (for both).
Then these guns were used up to the end of the 19th c.
Best,
Kubur

estcrh · 5th February 2015, 01:03 PM

Here is a comparison of forum members Ottoman pistols, three of Cerjaks, Kubers, Bandooks and my pair. All very similar with Kubers showing the most difference in my opinion with the front of the barrel being encased in metal.

estcrh · 5th February 2015, 01:32 PM

The obviously different forum members pistols, three Albanian rat tail pistols, Bandooks, Kubers and mine, and Bandooks Algerian pistol.

trenchwarfare · 5th February 2015, 02:32 PM

The Algerian, may be Algerian, but I don't think it's a real gun. I've seen, and owned many decorators, with the same hammer, and aluminum furniture. The sheet metal trigger guard is another giveaway. More detailed photos might prove me wrong.

BANDOOK · 19th May 2015, 01:47 AM

JUST GOT THIS ONE RECENTLY AND WOULD LIKE TO SHARE IT HERE,BEATIFUL DECORATIONS ON THE METAL AND WOOD,CHEERS

5th February 2015, 01:03 PM	#4
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	Here is a comparison of forum members Ottoman pistols, three of Cerjaks, Kubers, Bandooks and my pair. All very similar with Kubers showing the most difference in my opinion with the front of the barrel being encased in metal. Attached Images Last edited by estcrh; 5th February 2015 at 01:43 PM.

5th February 2015, 01:32 PM	#5
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	The obviously different forum members pistols, three Albanian rat tail pistols, Bandooks, Kubers and mine, and Bandooks Algerian pistol. Attached Images

19th May 2015, 01:47 AM	#7
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	OTTOMON\BALKAN OR GREEK JUST GOT THIS ONE RECENTLY AND WOULD LIKE TO SHARE IT HERE,BEATIFUL DECORATIONS ON THE METAL AND WOOD,CHEERS Attached Images

5th February 2015, 11:05 AM	#2
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	could someone roughly date my pistols which I posted,kubur could help,cheers

5th February 2015, 11:56 AM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Of course, they are almost like mine. I would say 1800 - 1840 AD. (for both). Then these guns were used up to the end of the 19th c. Best, Kubur

5th February 2015, 02:32 PM	#6
trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	The Algerian, may be Algerian, but I don't think it's a real gun. I've seen, and owned many decorators, with the same hammer, and aluminum furniture. The sheet metal trigger guard is another giveaway. More detailed photos might prove me wrong.