Persian Jarids

Oriental-Arms · 6th December 2014, 06:43 AM

Two comments:

1) Silver koftgari decoration and twisted steel imitation on blades and hafts is very common also in Persian blades and axes, especially on late Qajar period. But equally I will not argue with Chuck. It could be Indian as well although my intuition say Persian

2) Trident spears are not only Indian. One can find it in many cultures from Africa to China. Just for example see below tridents from Persia, India and China (I also have somewhere a trident spear from Sudan but I need to locate it)

Marcus · 6th December 2014, 03:17 PM

I wonder if anyone can comment on the effectiveness of the sort of fleur de lis tridents (such as one of the jarids and the spear head Artzi shows) as weapons. Only the center prong will have much chance of penetration and the outside curves may even be limiting. I can imagine they might have some utility if the weapon is being manipulated but I have less of of a sense of how they would be useful on a spear, such as a jarid, which is intended to be thrown.

AJ1356 · 6th December 2014, 06:25 PM

I've been busy with school and been staying out of the boards, so I am just making a short comment. These examples are Persian, I don't seen anything Indian in them, I have not heard of a Jarid, so I can not say anything about that, I'd go with early Qajar for the period as well. It is sad that they were sandpapered they way they were.

estcrh · 6th December 2014, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ1356

These examples are Persian, I don't seen anything Indian in them, I have not heard of a Jarid, so I can not say anything about that, I'd go with early Qajar for the period as well. It is sad that they were sandpapered they way they were.

Jarid is a term used for a variety of thrown weapons that range in size from a large dart to a small spear. At least some were kept in a quiver and used by mounted combatants. I have read that they were also used in military sports, they were thrown at targets while on horseback. Here is a link to some more examples.

http://www.pinterest.com/search/my_p...=jarid%7Ctyped

6th December 2014, 06:43 AM	#1
Oriental-Arms Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 183	Two comments: 1) Silver koftgari decoration and twisted steel imitation on blades and hafts is very common also in Persian blades and axes, especially on late Qajar period. But equally I will not argue with Chuck. It could be Indian as well although my intuition say Persian 2) Trident spears are not only Indian. One can find it in many cultures from Africa to China. Just for example see below tridents from Persia, India and China (I also have somewhere a trident spear from Sudan but I need to locate it) Attached Images

6th December 2014, 03:17 PM	#2
Marcus Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 420	fleur de lis tridents I wonder if anyone can comment on the effectiveness of the sort of fleur de lis tridents (such as one of the jarids and the spear head Artzi shows) as weapons. Only the center prong will have much chance of penetration and the outside curves may even be limiting. I can imagine they might have some utility if the weapon is being manipulated but I have less of of a sense of how they would be useful on a spear, such as a jarid, which is intended to be thrown.

6th December 2014, 06:25 PM	#3
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	I've been busy with school and been staying out of the boards, so I am just making a short comment. These examples are Persian, I don't seen anything Indian in them, I have not heard of a Jarid, so I can not say anything about that, I'd go with early Qajar for the period as well. It is sad that they were sandpapered they way they were.