Seeking help to identify a blade!

MeleeTiger · 14th November 2014, 04:44 AM

Found a site with images of "Sudan Knives" that had very similar markings and scabbard design, I know I'm not supposed to link to off site stuff so I screen caped and pasted the images together instead to attach it here.
Edit: Don't know why the image I mentioned above didn't show, but it should now.

Shakethetrees · 14th November 2014, 02:07 PM

I think the grip is throwing everyone off.

The blade tang does not appear to have been ever peened over to permanently lock everything together. It extends a good bit past where it should be.

I believe the blade and scabbard began life together, but the grip is from something else. This marriage might have been consummated fifty years ago in a souk or an antique shop. It was a marriage of convenience!

spiral · 14th November 2014, 02:19 PM

As I said earlier , to me it looks like the sort of thing that had a baby crocodile as a hilt, Or sometimes a leg...

spiral

MeleeTiger · 14th November 2014, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shakethetrees

I think the grip is throwing everyone off.

The blade tang does not appear to have been ever peened over to permanently lock everything together. It extends a good bit past where it should be.

I believe the blade and scabbard began life together, but the grip is from something else. This marriage might have been consummated fifty years ago in a souk or an antique shop. It was a marriage of convenience!

Indeed, I never really put much faith in the grip but that's what it came with so I included it in the photos especially since it seemed to be made of the same wood as the scabbard core beneath the crocodile hide.

Gavin Nugent · 15th November 2014, 12:48 AM

With the tang length seen protruding past the pommel area and given the base of the hilt shape I wonder if the pommel once looked like this one below but also with the added pommel spike.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=rhino+sudan

I suggest this because I also have a short sword length example with a Rhino horn hilt and similar markings but with the pommel spike/protrusion as seen on other types.

Gavin

14th November 2014, 04:44 AM	#1
MeleeTiger Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6	Found a site with images of "Sudan Knives" that had very similar markings and scabbard design, I know I'm not supposed to link to off site stuff so I screen caped and pasted the images together instead to attach it here. Edit: Don't know why the image I mentioned above didn't show, but it should now. Attached Images Last edited by MeleeTiger; 14th November 2014 at 11:11 PM.

14th November 2014, 02:07 PM	#2
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	I think the grip is throwing everyone off. The blade tang does not appear to have been ever peened over to permanently lock everything together. It extends a good bit past where it should be. I believe the blade and scabbard began life together, but the grip is from something else. This marriage might have been consummated fifty years ago in a souk or an antique shop. It was a marriage of convenience!

14th November 2014, 02:19 PM	#3
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	As I said earlier , to me it looks like the sort of thing that had a baby crocodile as a hilt, Or sometimes a leg... spiral

15th November 2014, 12:48 AM	#5
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	With the tang length seen protruding past the pommel area and given the base of the hilt shape I wonder if the pommel once looked like this one below but also with the added pommel spike. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=rhino+sudan I suggest this because I also have a short sword length example with a Rhino horn hilt and similar markings but with the pommel spike/protrusion as seen on other types. Gavin