Taking walrus hilted sword out of Germany

estcrh · 6th November 2014, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee

There is an old thread on CITES that might offer some insight. The safest course of action, of course, is to jump through the hoops and get a CITES permit.

Runjeet recently sent me a kard (England to USA) with a walrus ivory hilt, he was able to get a CITES permit so it is possible.

erlikhan · 6th November 2014, 04:53 PM

İs it free in ENgland? In Germany it costs something like 100-150 euros and a long time.

T. Koch · 6th November 2014, 07:35 PM

Hi Erlikhan - just a quick jab from me as I'm on the way out the door. I've been working for the CITES M.A. in Denmark for 7 years+.

Walrus is Appendix II/Annex B, so to take the Yataghan with you on a flight out of the EU you will need a CITES-export permit from the German M.A. - be sure however, to in your app. to emphasize that it is a personal item = purpose code "P".

If you choose to send it, go for purpose code "T" (commercial) and your contact in the US might need a corresponding CITES-import permit, but he should really ask the USF&W before you guys do the transfer.

I've found the contact info for the German M.A. for you here;

Bundesamt für Naturschutz
(Federal Agency for Nature Conservation)
Abteilung I.1
Management Authority to CITES
Konstantinstrasse 110
53179 BONN

Tel: +49 (228) 84 91 13 11
Fax: +49 (228) 84 91 13 19
Email: citesma @ bfn.de

If you have any questions, please post them - will try to answer in detail tomorrow.

One love, - Thor

T. Koch · 6th November 2014, 07:39 PM

...and I agree with Gavin in the regard that most CITES enforcers aren't too sharp at worked materials ID and in my experience 99% of customs officers couldn't tie their shoelaces without a flowchart.

Then again, very rarely you have nerd-flies - like me - and we will pounce on your ivory like flies on... well a Yataghan!

IMO, Gav said it: Why chance it.

Peace, - Thor

erlikhan · 20th November 2014, 03:20 PM

Thanks a lot. The same question for UK : What about there??

Jens Nordlunde · 20th November 2014, 06:11 PM

Most of it depends on the country you want to export from/import to, and the country where the plane has to land on the way to you. I have a feeling that the last may be a problem, although most would not regard this as a problem.
I would play it safe and try to get a CITE certificate. Should you loose the yathagan on the way, you would not be a happy man.
Jens

erlikhan · 20th November 2014, 06:17 PM

Hi Jens. it will take off from London and land in Istanbul, direct flight. The item will look obviously old not letting any suspicion agewise. To take certificate costs 3 weeks extra hotel stay and 70 gbp fee.

6th November 2014, 04:53 PM	#2
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	İs it free in ENgland? In Germany it costs something like 100-150 euros and a long time.

6th November 2014, 07:35 PM	#3
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	Hi Erlikhan - just a quick jab from me as I'm on the way out the door. I've been working for the CITES M.A. in Denmark for 7 years+. Walrus is Appendix II/Annex B, so to take the Yataghan with you on a flight out of the EU you will need a CITES-export permit from the German M.A. - be sure however, to in your app. to emphasize that it is a personal item = purpose code "P". If you choose to send it, go for purpose code "T" (commercial) and your contact in the US might need a corresponding CITES-import permit, but he should really ask the USF&W before you guys do the transfer. I've found the contact info for the German M.A. for you here; Bundesamt für Naturschutz (Federal Agency for Nature Conservation) Abteilung I.1 Management Authority to CITES Konstantinstrasse 110 53179 BONN Tel: +49 (228) 84 91 13 11 Fax: +49 (228) 84 91 13 19 Email: citesma @ bfn.de If you have any questions, please post them - will try to answer in detail tomorrow. One love, - Thor

6th November 2014, 07:39 PM	#4
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	...and I agree with Gavin in the regard that most CITES enforcers aren't too sharp at worked materials ID and in my experience 99% of customs officers couldn't tie their shoelaces without a flowchart. Then again, very rarely you have nerd-flies - like me - and we will pounce on your ivory like flies on... well a Yataghan! IMO, Gav said it: Why chance it. Peace, - Thor

20th November 2014, 03:20 PM	#5
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Thanks a lot. The same question for UK : What about there??

20th November 2014, 06:11 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Most of it depends on the country you want to export from/import to, and the country where the plane has to land on the way to you. I have a feeling that the last may be a problem, although most would not regard this as a problem. I would play it safe and try to get a CITE certificate. Should you loose the yathagan on the way, you would not be a happy man. Jens

20th November 2014, 06:17 PM	#7
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Hi Jens. it will take off from London and land in Istanbul, direct flight. The item will look obviously old not letting any suspicion agewise. To take certificate costs 3 weeks extra hotel stay and 70 gbp fee.