Long Philippine Swords

Spunjer · 1st December 2005, 10:11 PM

lol @ this thread...

themorningstar · 1st December 2005, 11:10 PM

what an interesting thread so far....
a few words to fellow forumites....
labantayo and zelbone- i share your same opinions.. but we all know it's all sundang...or is it??? lolz..maraming salamat...
mabagani- thank you swordbrother ( pig-sticker.. gotta love it )
zamboanga- the pictures of the swords on the cebueskrima site are actually mine ( as a matter of fact their next to me lolz..)
ian- i am not an expert on visayan swords, but i am not stumped, i know exactly what the sword is and where its from. my reason for fact omission is due to sniping difficulties beyond my control. lolz.
bsmstar- hello and thank you for your input, i like your process theory. regarding confederate sword, you would actually be surprised at how many turn up under that heading on ebay... lolz.. good luck on your deity hilt hunt
ariel- one answer to your question is actually in my statement " it's a sundang" it took a few forum members a little bit to figure it out, but they did. i am confident you will find the answer as well.
rick- i don't know you, but cheers!
spunjer-i'm right along with you... lolz...

themorningstar · 1st December 2005, 11:16 PM

oh.... what is wrong with sundang? he asked for any and all comments?
all the visayan sword misfits agree with it, i dont see anything wrong....
if you want, we can just use patalim...

zelbone · 1st December 2005, 11:32 PM

...it's a bolo!

themorningstar · 1st December 2005, 11:40 PM

zel, your killin me.....
but on a factual note... he is correct.
if you were to go and see a panday, and ask him what's he polishing... he would say bolo.
lolz..

Andrew · 2nd December 2005, 12:26 AM

In addition to the regional/linguistic differences in the names for these swords, I assume there are also differences in the forms? (I imagine nailing this down is what gives you guys the most trouble.)

LabanTayo · 2nd December 2005, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

In addition to the regional/linguistic differences in the names for these swords, I assume there are also differences in the forms? (I imagine nailing this down is what gives you guys the most trouble.)

Amen brother,
You are 100% correct.

Robert · 2nd December 2005, 01:36 AM

Well seeing as this thread was started by me, I thought it was time for me to make a few comments.
To my own regret, I said "All comments are welcome" when I should have said all relevant comments.
To all the people that tried to help answer my question, you have my thanks.
To the people that turned this thread into a place to vent their frustration for not bidding high enough
on e-bay to win, all I have to say to you is why don't you go stand in front of a mirror an complain to the
person who is actually the cause of your unhappiness. I bid what the sword was worth to me, not knowing
that it was inappropriate in your eyes to do so for in an open auction like e-bay. When the auction first starts if
I find an item that I am interested in, I put it on my watch list. Then I decide how much I want to bid on said
item. Then when the bidding is coming to a close and if the price on the item is not more than I decided
to bid for it, I place my bid. I've been going to auctions for years and never once has the winning bid been decided
by who bid first but only by who bid the highest. I thought e-bay was the same way, excuse me for having such
a silly idea as that. And as far as doing my own research, that is how I came to ask my question about the swords
to start with. So if anyone wants to hold back information and knowledge because they are having a problem dealing with the reality
of how an auction works, more power to you.
LabanTayo, you were out bid by another before I even bid.
MABAGANI, you didn't bid at all so I don't know what your problem is and if you had a problem with me, why did you e-mail me right after the auction was over to see if I would sell you the sword?
One more thing, I've never noticed that it bothered anyone here to out bid me on something that I was biding on. Again my thanks to the people who tried to help.

Robert

VANDOO · 2nd December 2005, 01:09 AM

FROM WHAT LITTLE I COULD GATHER FROM POSTS AND THE SITE LISTED IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE NAME CAME ABOUT IN A CERTAIN PLACE AT A CERTAIN TIME AND WAS USED BY ONE PARTICULAR GROUP OF FIGHTERS IN THAT CONFLICT.
IT IS BASICALY A KLEWANG TYPE BUT DUE TO THE REGION WHERE IT WAS USED AND THE GROUP USING IT NOW IT HAS A DIFFERENT NAME AT LEAST IN THAT REGION. IN ANOTHER PLACE AT ANOTHER TIME IT MAY GAIN A NEW NAME DUE TO THE GROUP USING IT OR THE CONFLICT IT IS USED IN.

NO WONDER ITS SO CONFUSING AS THERE ARE MANY FACTORS INVOLVED IN A NAME SO IT IS NOT UNUSUAL THAT ONE FORM MAY HAVE MANY NAMES. 1. REGION 2. TRIBE OR GROUP 3. TIME PERIOD 4. NAMES APPLIED TO IT BY THE OTHER SIDE IN THE CONFLICT AND PROBABLY A FEW MORE FACTORS I HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF. I HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE ONE EVEN HAS A BUILT IN KNUCKLE DUSTER GAURD SO THERE IS ALSO 5. VARIATION WITHIN THE TYPE.
IF PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED THINGS ARE BOUND TO GET COMPLICATED (MURPHYS LAW #657 )

BSMStar · 2nd December 2005, 01:28 AM

As my children would say on any long journey..... are we there yet????

1st December 2005, 10:11 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	lol @ this thread...

1st December 2005, 11:10 PM	#2
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	what an interesting thread so far.... a few words to fellow forumites.... labantayo and zelbone- i share your same opinions.. but we all know it's all sundang...or is it??? lolz..maraming salamat... mabagani- thank you swordbrother ( pig-sticker.. gotta love it ) zamboanga- the pictures of the swords on the cebueskrima site are actually mine ( as a matter of fact their next to me lolz..) ian- i am not an expert on visayan swords, but i am not stumped, i know exactly what the sword is and where its from. my reason for fact omission is due to sniping difficulties beyond my control. lolz. bsmstar- hello and thank you for your input, i like your process theory. regarding confederate sword, you would actually be surprised at how many turn up under that heading on ebay... lolz.. good luck on your deity hilt hunt ariel- one answer to your question is actually in my statement " it's a sundang" it took a few forum members a little bit to figure it out, but they did. i am confident you will find the answer as well. rick- i don't know you, but cheers! spunjer-i'm right along with you... lolz...

1st December 2005, 11:16 PM	#3
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	oh.... what is wrong with sundang? he asked for any and all comments? all the visayan sword misfits agree with it, i dont see anything wrong.... if you want, we can just use patalim...

1st December 2005, 11:32 PM	#4
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	...it's a bolo!

1st December 2005, 11:40 PM	#5
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	zel, your killin me..... but on a factual note... he is correct. if you were to go and see a panday, and ask him what's he polishing... he would say bolo. lolz..

2nd December 2005, 12:26 AM	#6
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	In addition to the regional/linguistic differences in the names for these swords, I assume there are also differences in the forms? (I imagine nailing this down is what gives you guys the most trouble.)

2nd December 2005, 01:36 AM	#8
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Well seeing as this thread was started by me, I thought it was time for me to make a few comments. To my own regret, I said "All comments are welcome" when I should have said all relevant comments. To all the people that tried to help answer my question, you have my thanks. To the people that turned this thread into a place to vent their frustration for not bidding high enough on e-bay to win, all I have to say to you is why don't you go stand in front of a mirror an complain to the person who is actually the cause of your unhappiness. I bid what the sword was worth to me, not knowing that it was inappropriate in your eyes to do so for in an open auction like e-bay. When the auction first starts if I find an item that I am interested in, I put it on my watch list. Then I decide how much I want to bid on said item. Then when the bidding is coming to a close and if the price on the item is not more than I decided to bid for it, I place my bid. I've been going to auctions for years and never once has the winning bid been decided by who bid first but only by who bid the highest. I thought e-bay was the same way, excuse me for having such a silly idea as that. And as far as doing my own research, that is how I came to ask my question about the swords to start with. So if anyone wants to hold back information and knowledge because they are having a problem dealing with the reality of how an auction works, more power to you. LabanTayo, you were out bid by another before I even bid. MABAGANI, you didn't bid at all so I don't know what your problem is and if you had a problem with me, why did you e-mail me right after the auction was over to see if I would sell you the sword? One more thing, I've never noticed that it bothered anyone here to out bid me on something that I was biding on. Again my thanks to the people who tried to help. Robert

2nd December 2005, 01:09 AM	#9
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	FROM WHAT LITTLE I COULD GATHER FROM POSTS AND THE SITE LISTED IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE NAME CAME ABOUT IN A CERTAIN PLACE AT A CERTAIN TIME AND WAS USED BY ONE PARTICULAR GROUP OF FIGHTERS IN THAT CONFLICT. IT IS BASICALY A KLEWANG TYPE BUT DUE TO THE REGION WHERE IT WAS USED AND THE GROUP USING IT NOW IT HAS A DIFFERENT NAME AT LEAST IN THAT REGION. IN ANOTHER PLACE AT ANOTHER TIME IT MAY GAIN A NEW NAME DUE TO THE GROUP USING IT OR THE CONFLICT IT IS USED IN. NO WONDER ITS SO CONFUSING AS THERE ARE MANY FACTORS INVOLVED IN A NAME SO IT IS NOT UNUSUAL THAT ONE FORM MAY HAVE MANY NAMES. 1. REGION 2. TRIBE OR GROUP 3. TIME PERIOD 4. NAMES APPLIED TO IT BY THE OTHER SIDE IN THE CONFLICT AND PROBABLY A FEW MORE FACTORS I HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF. I HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE ONE EVEN HAS A BUILT IN KNUCKLE DUSTER GAURD SO THERE IS ALSO 5. VARIATION WITHIN THE TYPE. IF PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED THINGS ARE BOUND TO GET COMPLICATED (MURPHYS LAW #657 )

2nd December 2005, 01:28 AM	#10
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	As my children would say on any long journey..... are we there yet????