Long Philippine Swords

LabanTayo · 1st December 2005, 07:59 PM

[QUOTE=zelboneLabanTayo said something to us last night during silat practice that was relative..."you could learn a thousand ways to punch, but in the end a punch is just a punch."
[QUOTE]

Just want to give credit for the reference, Bruce Lee made the comment
"a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick".

Spunjer · 1st December 2005, 10:11 PM

lol @ this thread...

themorningstar · 1st December 2005, 11:10 PM

what an interesting thread so far....
a few words to fellow forumites....
labantayo and zelbone- i share your same opinions.. but we all know it's all sundang...or is it??? lolz..maraming salamat...
mabagani- thank you swordbrother ( pig-sticker.. gotta love it )
zamboanga- the pictures of the swords on the cebueskrima site are actually mine ( as a matter of fact their next to me lolz..)
ian- i am not an expert on visayan swords, but i am not stumped, i know exactly what the sword is and where its from. my reason for fact omission is due to sniping difficulties beyond my control. lolz.
bsmstar- hello and thank you for your input, i like your process theory. regarding confederate sword, you would actually be surprised at how many turn up under that heading on ebay... lolz.. good luck on your deity hilt hunt
ariel- one answer to your question is actually in my statement " it's a sundang" it took a few forum members a little bit to figure it out, but they did. i am confident you will find the answer as well.
rick- i don't know you, but cheers!
spunjer-i'm right along with you... lolz...

themorningstar · 1st December 2005, 11:16 PM

oh.... what is wrong with sundang? he asked for any and all comments?
all the visayan sword misfits agree with it, i dont see anything wrong....
if you want, we can just use patalim...

zelbone · 1st December 2005, 11:32 PM

...it's a bolo!

themorningstar · 1st December 2005, 11:40 PM

zel, your killin me.....
but on a factual note... he is correct.
if you were to go and see a panday, and ask him what's he polishing... he would say bolo.
lolz..

Andrew · 2nd December 2005, 12:26 AM

In addition to the regional/linguistic differences in the names for these swords, I assume there are also differences in the forms? (I imagine nailing this down is what gives you guys the most trouble.)

VANDOO · 2nd December 2005, 01:09 AM

FROM WHAT LITTLE I COULD GATHER FROM POSTS AND THE SITE LISTED IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE NAME CAME ABOUT IN A CERTAIN PLACE AT A CERTAIN TIME AND WAS USED BY ONE PARTICULAR GROUP OF FIGHTERS IN THAT CONFLICT.
IT IS BASICALY A KLEWANG TYPE BUT DUE TO THE REGION WHERE IT WAS USED AND THE GROUP USING IT NOW IT HAS A DIFFERENT NAME AT LEAST IN THAT REGION. IN ANOTHER PLACE AT ANOTHER TIME IT MAY GAIN A NEW NAME DUE TO THE GROUP USING IT OR THE CONFLICT IT IS USED IN.

NO WONDER ITS SO CONFUSING AS THERE ARE MANY FACTORS INVOLVED IN A NAME SO IT IS NOT UNUSUAL THAT ONE FORM MAY HAVE MANY NAMES. 1. REGION 2. TRIBE OR GROUP 3. TIME PERIOD 4. NAMES APPLIED TO IT BY THE OTHER SIDE IN THE CONFLICT AND PROBABLY A FEW MORE FACTORS I HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF. I HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE ONE EVEN HAS A BUILT IN KNUCKLE DUSTER GAURD SO THERE IS ALSO 5. VARIATION WITHIN THE TYPE.
IF PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED THINGS ARE BOUND TO GET COMPLICATED (MURPHYS LAW #657 )

1st December 2005, 07:59 PM	#1
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	[QUOTE=zelboneLabanTayo said something to us last night during silat practice that was relative..."you could learn a thousand ways to punch, but in the end a punch is just a punch." [QUOTE] Just want to give credit for the reference, Bruce Lee made the comment "a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick".

1st December 2005, 10:11 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	lol @ this thread...

1st December 2005, 11:10 PM	#3
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	what an interesting thread so far.... a few words to fellow forumites.... labantayo and zelbone- i share your same opinions.. but we all know it's all sundang...or is it??? lolz..maraming salamat... mabagani- thank you swordbrother ( pig-sticker.. gotta love it ) zamboanga- the pictures of the swords on the cebueskrima site are actually mine ( as a matter of fact their next to me lolz..) ian- i am not an expert on visayan swords, but i am not stumped, i know exactly what the sword is and where its from. my reason for fact omission is due to sniping difficulties beyond my control. lolz. bsmstar- hello and thank you for your input, i like your process theory. regarding confederate sword, you would actually be surprised at how many turn up under that heading on ebay... lolz.. good luck on your deity hilt hunt ariel- one answer to your question is actually in my statement " it's a sundang" it took a few forum members a little bit to figure it out, but they did. i am confident you will find the answer as well. rick- i don't know you, but cheers! spunjer-i'm right along with you... lolz...

1st December 2005, 11:16 PM	#4
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	oh.... what is wrong with sundang? he asked for any and all comments? all the visayan sword misfits agree with it, i dont see anything wrong.... if you want, we can just use patalim...

1st December 2005, 11:32 PM	#5
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	...it's a bolo!

1st December 2005, 11:40 PM	#6
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	zel, your killin me..... but on a factual note... he is correct. if you were to go and see a panday, and ask him what's he polishing... he would say bolo. lolz..

2nd December 2005, 12:26 AM	#7
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	In addition to the regional/linguistic differences in the names for these swords, I assume there are also differences in the forms? (I imagine nailing this down is what gives you guys the most trouble.)

2nd December 2005, 01:09 AM	#8
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	FROM WHAT LITTLE I COULD GATHER FROM POSTS AND THE SITE LISTED IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE NAME CAME ABOUT IN A CERTAIN PLACE AT A CERTAIN TIME AND WAS USED BY ONE PARTICULAR GROUP OF FIGHTERS IN THAT CONFLICT. IT IS BASICALY A KLEWANG TYPE BUT DUE TO THE REGION WHERE IT WAS USED AND THE GROUP USING IT NOW IT HAS A DIFFERENT NAME AT LEAST IN THAT REGION. IN ANOTHER PLACE AT ANOTHER TIME IT MAY GAIN A NEW NAME DUE TO THE GROUP USING IT OR THE CONFLICT IT IS USED IN. NO WONDER ITS SO CONFUSING AS THERE ARE MANY FACTORS INVOLVED IN A NAME SO IT IS NOT UNUSUAL THAT ONE FORM MAY HAVE MANY NAMES. 1. REGION 2. TRIBE OR GROUP 3. TIME PERIOD 4. NAMES APPLIED TO IT BY THE OTHER SIDE IN THE CONFLICT AND PROBABLY A FEW MORE FACTORS I HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF. I HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE ONE EVEN HAS A BUILT IN KNUCKLE DUSTER GAURD SO THERE IS ALSO 5. VARIATION WITHIN THE TYPE. IF PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED THINGS ARE BOUND TO GET COMPLICATED (MURPHYS LAW #657 )