A highly important tiller gun from the Montjuic castle 1430s

Marcus den toom · 10th October 2014, 02:43 PM

Michl's thread on the position of the touch hole should answer sme of your questions.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=touch+hole

The development of the priming pan was, in my opinion, mostly due to the ever further developing gun. First guns are, as can be seen in contemporary illustrations, heavy objects. Lateron this changed to a more manageable hand held gun like the one in the Michael Trömner collection.

My guess would be that when these real hand held guns arrived, they soon discovered that a better "container" for holding the black powder was needed. Especiallyin the heat of the battle when you would often run, hide... aim. It was chaotic at best and no way that a powder load would stay neatly stacked on the touchole. As stated before, the thread on the position of the touch hole tells the same story. The priming pan slowly evolved from beeing just a ridge on top of the barrel to a pan situated mostly on the right hand side.
There are instances, if i remember corectly, that a hardening gunpowder past was put in the priming pan... but if this was yet discovered/used in the times of my tiller gun, i don't know.

All of the aboove is also just an assumption

I have no evidence that this thesis is correct but it sounds the most likely to me.

Raf · 10th October 2014, 05:22 PM

Yes, I had read Michaels piece . I seemed to me that the problem was exacerbated when toucholes began to move towards the side but still without much in the way of an obvious pan . The solidified priming mass theory circumnavigates this , but also reduces them to one shot per engagement weapons which seems to me an extravagant waste of potential firepower . Maybe someone with live firing experience of hand cannons could comment .

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Raf Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 252	Yes, I had read Michaels piece . I seemed to me that the problem was exacerbated when toucholes began to move towards the side but still without much in the way of an obvious pan . The solidified priming mass theory circumnavigates this , but also reduces them to one shot per engagement weapons which seems to me an extravagant waste of potential firepower . Maybe someone with live firing experience of hand cannons could comment . Attached Images

10th October 2014, 02:43 PM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Michl's thread on the position of the touch hole should answer sme of your questions. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=touch+hole The development of the priming pan was, in my opinion, mostly due to the ever further developing gun. First guns are, as can be seen in contemporary illustrations, heavy objects. Lateron this changed to a more manageable hand held gun like the one in the Michael Trömner collection. My guess would be that when these real hand held guns arrived, they soon discovered that a better "container" for holding the black powder was needed. Especiallyin the heat of the battle when you would often run, hide... aim. It was chaotic at best and no way that a powder load would stay neatly stacked on the touchole. As stated before, the thread on the position of the touch hole tells the same story. The priming pan slowly evolved from beeing just a ridge on top of the barrel to a pan situated mostly on the right hand side. There are instances, if i remember corectly, that a hardening gunpowder past was put in the priming pan... but if this was yet discovered/used in the times of my tiller gun, i don't know. All of the aboove is also just an assumption I have no evidence that this thesis is correct but it sounds the most likely to me.