Restoration advice needed Moro? Kris

Maurice · 6th October 2014, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

I am with Charles, the blade is beautiful and wouldn't be surprised when it will show twistcore in the fullers.

Yes I agree with that also Detlef.

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Originally Posted by Sajen

So I don't see any reason to let the blade in this poor condition with some fresh rust at the edges. So I would polish and etch the blade.

Me neither! Agree to have it etched and get rid of the rust at the edges and bring out the twistcore in the fullers if there....

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Originally Posted by Sajen

The wrapping at the handle I would replace also. A native would do the same when it is demaged.

This I wouldn't do if it was mine and which I disagree. We are not a native afterall. ;-)
The ivory pommel though I would have liked to restore, as I hate to see recent break offs at old pieces. Than better have it restored well.
If a break off is very old and shows old patination of use and handling, I would prefer to keep it original instead of a restoration.

Regards,
Maurice

VANDOO · 6th October 2014, 03:28 PM

A VERY NICE KRIS WITH A VERY FINE BLADE.
THE MISSING PIECE OF IVORY ON THIS TYPE POMMEL IS LIKELY SMALL AND I THINK WOULD BE MORE TROUBLE MAKING SUCH A SMALL PIECE AND REFINISHING THE ENTIRE POMMEL SO NOT WORTH DOING. IF YOU COULD FIND THE SMALL PIECE AND GLUE IT BACK IN PLACE WOULD BE GOOD BUT MAKING A NEW PIECE AND MATCHING IT WOULD LIKELY BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO A JOB SATISFACTORILY TO YOUR TASTE. THE PERSON WHO DID THE REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR ON JOSES IVORY POMMEL COULD LIKELY DO A SATISFACTORY JOB. IF I WERE TO TRY AND DO IT I WOULD LIKELY NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT JUST AS I LIKE. I DO TEND TO BE MORE CRITICAL OF MY OWN WORK THAN OF THAT DONE BY OTHERS, HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE WHAT YOU JUST DID.

Sajen · 6th October 2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

This I wouldn't do if it was mine and which I disagree. We are not a native afterall. ;-)
The ivory pommel though I would have liked to restore, as I hate to see recent break offs at old pieces. Than better have it restored well.
If a break off is very old and shows old patination of use and handling, I would prefer to keep it original instead of a restoration.

Hi Maurice,

oh, I am a native german!

But like you said before, it will be a matter of personal taste!

I think it is just a cord wrapping, nobody will see from whom it's done!

Agree with you about the ivory, when it will be an old patinated break I also wouldn't care it but a so recent break is disturbing IMHO.

Regards,
Detlef

Maurice · 6th October 2014, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Maurice,

oh, I am a native german!

But like you said before, it will be a matter of personal taste!

I think it is just a cord wrapping, nobody will see from whom it's done!

Agree with you about the ivory, when it will be an old patinated break I also wouldn't care it but a so recent break is disturbing IMHO.

Regards,
Detlef

Hi Detlef,

that is true, as long as they don't use some kind of glue and it can be removed it will be ok I guess and fine for me. :-)

Regards,
Maurice

Sajen · 6th October 2014, 11:18 PM

Hi Maurice,

so we have agreement!

Regards,
Detlef

Battara · 7th October 2014, 02:37 AM

Shakethetrees,

You have a nice piece there. If it were mine I would lightly polish and then etch the blade, replace (or have someone replace) the missing middle band, and then replace the missing wrap. On the ivory, either have an expert do it (and I know of one) or leave it alone. I could also see work on the scabbard wranga top.

I would also placed a possible estimate of early 1800s and possibly from the Maguindanao.

A true datu piece! Congratulations!

Shakethetrees · 7th October 2014, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Shakethetrees,

You have a nice piece there. If it were mine I would lightly polish and then etch the blade, replace (or have someone replace) the missing middle band, and then replace the missing wrap. On the ivory, either have an expert do it (and I know of one) or leave it alone. I could also see work on the scabbard wranga top.

I would also placed a possible estimate of early 1800s and possibly from the Maguindanao.

A true datu piece! Congratulations!

One day when things get settled with me I would be interested in the repair of the wranga and the ivory. I can take care of the rest.

Can you PM me with the details?

Thanks!

Battara · 7th October 2014, 06:24 PM

You have PM sir........

6th October 2014, 03:28 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A VERY NICE KRIS WITH A VERY FINE BLADE. THE MISSING PIECE OF IVORY ON THIS TYPE POMMEL IS LIKELY SMALL AND I THINK WOULD BE MORE TROUBLE MAKING SUCH A SMALL PIECE AND REFINISHING THE ENTIRE POMMEL SO NOT WORTH DOING. IF YOU COULD FIND THE SMALL PIECE AND GLUE IT BACK IN PLACE WOULD BE GOOD BUT MAKING A NEW PIECE AND MATCHING IT WOULD LIKELY BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO A JOB SATISFACTORILY TO YOUR TASTE. THE PERSON WHO DID THE REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR ON JOSES IVORY POMMEL COULD LIKELY DO A SATISFACTORY JOB. IF I WERE TO TRY AND DO IT I WOULD LIKELY NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT JUST AS I LIKE. I DO TEND TO BE MORE CRITICAL OF MY OWN WORK THAN OF THAT DONE BY OTHERS, HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE WHAT YOU JUST DID.

6th October 2014, 11:18 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,213	Hi Maurice, so we have agreement! Regards, Detlef

7th October 2014, 02:37 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Shakethetrees, You have a nice piece there. If it were mine I would lightly polish and then etch the blade, replace (or have someone replace) the missing middle band, and then replace the missing wrap. On the ivory, either have an expert do it (and I know of one) or leave it alone. I could also see work on the scabbard wranga top. I would also placed a possible estimate of early 1800s and possibly from the Maguindanao. A true datu piece! Congratulations!

7th October 2014, 06:24 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	You have PM sir........