Christies extremely rare medieval bronze handrohr sale 30/09/2014

cornelistromp · 3rd October 2014, 07:34 PM

see also

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...1&page=1&pp=30

post#7

Iam not saying it is not a genuine piece and I have not had it in hand, however there are some points that I really do not like.

the transition from hexagonal to circular, at the center piece , looks a bit strange at such an early gun.
the surface of the casting has some traces of "operation" and is not covered with the patina that you would expect at a river find.

best,
jasper

Matchlock · 3rd October 2014, 08:46 PM

I had a very nice phone talk just a few hours ago, with an old London friend, and A&A expert - we literally burst out laughing!

Good morning, buyer of that barrel - you'll probably be wide awake soon.

I gave a definite warning, well ahead of the sale.

50 year-old knowlegde of facts is power ... because the facts never change.

Best,
m

cornelistromp · 5th October 2014, 12:13 PM

Hi Michael,

so what are the facts?

best,
Jasper

Matchlock · 5th October 2014, 12:26 PM

Hi Jasper,

As I have been up for almost three days, with no sleep, working hard on the so-called Monk's Gun thread, with hundreds of huge images to add and describe:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19033

I had to postpone posting here.

I will carry on within the next few days; the material, from the 1960's to 2011, is so comprehsive, though, that it will me take days of preparation. It's about 40 MB on my hard disc.
I got asked about it by an important weapons historian about a week before the sale took place; so within hours, I sent it all out to him, and a few other persons involved, by email.

For posting all that stuff here on the forum, however, I will have to reduce all the images in size, etc.
It will be worth waiting - I promise you.

Best,
Michael

3rd October 2014, 07:34 PM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	see also http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...1&page=1&pp=30 post#7 Iam not saying it is not a genuine piece and I have not had it in hand, however there are some points that I really do not like. the transition from hexagonal to circular, at the center piece , looks a bit strange at such an early gun. the surface of the casting has some traces of "operation" and is not covered with the patina that you would expect at a river find. best, jasper Last edited by cornelistromp; 3rd October 2014 at 07:54 PM.

5th October 2014, 12:26 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jasper, As I have been up for almost three days, with no sleep, working hard on the so-called Monk's Gun thread, with hundreds of huge images to add and describe: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19033 I had to postpone posting here. I will carry on within the next few days; the material, from the 1960's to 2011, is so comprehsive, though, that it will me take days of preparation. It's about 40 MB on my hard disc. I got asked about it by an important weapons historian about a week before the sale took place; so within hours, I sent it all out to him, and a few other persons involved, by email. For posting all that stuff here on the forum, however, I will have to reduce all the images in size, etc. It will be worth waiting - I promise you. Best, Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 5th October 2014 at 12:38 PM.

3rd October 2014, 08:46 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I had a very nice phone talk just a few hours ago, with an old London friend, and A&A expert - we literally burst out laughing! Good morning, buyer of that barrel - you'll probably be wide awake soon. I gave a definite warning, well ahead of the sale. 50 year-old knowlegde of facts is power ... because the facts never change. Best, m

5th October 2014, 12:13 PM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Michael, so what are the facts? best, Jasper