Breech-Loading Swivel Gun / Cannon For Comment

[fernando]

Hoi Jasper,
I assume you have a lot more 'mileage' than me in these things; this is the first time i see a typical breech loading chamber combined with a lantaka cannon. Maybe this is common to your eyes, but certainly new to me.
Breech loading 'berços' of various sizes were made by Portuguese (and Spanish) for their ships and auxiliary rowing boats, whereas lantakas were made for trade in Asia.
I would always realize that this atypical device was made to please somebody or anybody, rather than for crude battle
... one of the peas in a pot

[cornelistromp]

Hi Fernando,

Here is a nice article that you're sure to love.

http://www.arscives.com/bladesign/history.htm

for a similar cannon as above in #1 please google cannonsuperstore >>>> Spanish cannons

best
jasper

[fernando]

Thsnk you so much for the link and for being so thoughtful, Jasper .
As a matter of fact i know Rainer Daehnhardt, with whom i have a fair relation. A lot of knowledge that i transmit here in the forum comes from his books and 'lectures' i receive when i periodicaly visit his shop in Cascais ... as also (a couple times) in his house, where he has an imense (i mean imense) collection.
I am also aware of the article you linked and i also met its author Antonio Cejunior when he came (from Macau) to Portugal to visit his family.

I visited the cannon site you suggested and i saw the cannon you refer; not so 'lantaka style' as the one posted here, i would say ... don't you agree? .

Not pointing at any source in particular, i don't feel safe with determined attributions like antiquity and provenance, specialy when it comes to 'Portuguese' or 'Spanish' cannons conotations ... discoveries period and all that. Indeed cannon foundries were settled in Macau (the famous Bocarro family) but i don't know if the typology produced there is connected with lantakas ... or even 16th century breech loading berços.

Dank u once again

[fernando]

A couple (forbidden) pictures connected with the discussed topic in the Daehnhardt farm.

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[cornelistromp]

very nice pictures, thanks, I would love to have garden like this.

the local foundries in SE Asia used local bronze patterns for the cannon decorations.
I believe this deep relief breech decoration points more into the direction of GOA I/o brunei , Malacca, Pahang or European foundries.

a specialist in these eastern patterns might be able to give definite outcome here!

best,

[Matchlock]

Exactly, Jasper,

That's a setting unimaginable to ever surpass ... !

Thanks for showing,
and best,
Michael

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

very nice pictures, thanks, I would love to have garden like this.

the local foundries in SE Asia used local bronze patterns for the cannon decorations.
I believe this deep relief breech decoration points more into the direction of GOA I/o brunei , Malacca, Pahang or European foundries.

a specialist in these eastern patterns might be able to give definite outcome here!

best,

Not a usual poster here on the European Forum, but here are couple of pics of Lantaka on display at Fort Siloso, Singapore.
Stu

[fernando]

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

very nice pictures, thanks, I would love to have garden like this...

With a few more flowers, maybe ... although of another typology

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[centurion]

Your cannon looks like Javanese-pre Islamic cetbang cannon from the late Majapahit period (that ended in 1527). Javanese were making cannons from 14 century after as they have mastered mass-production of bronze.

Portuguese came to Indonesian archipelago in 1511, so probably Javanese improved their design under Portuguese influence (or vice versa?).


Decorations look like from the late Majapahit, they look like pre-Islamic period. Islamic period started in 1527.

I think that you have a very valuable piece. Lantaka, somehow similar cannon but not breech loader, was mass produced, however, cetbangs are quite rare, especially decorated like this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetbang

http://fotosulawesi.blogspot.com/201...-kerajaan.html