Russian Guard axes - questions

ariel · 27th November 2005, 03:49 PM

There is a book on e-bay right now dealing with russian tsars arsenal. I cannot post it now but will do when the auction ends. There is a picture of the ax in question.

Jens Nordlunde · 27th November 2005, 04:26 PM

Ariel, why don't you PM Wolveix wher to find it - he might even buy the book

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ariel · 27th November 2005, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Ariel, why don't you PM Wolveix wher to find it - he might even buy the book

?

Stupid, I guess.....

Wolviex, you have a message!!!!!

wolviex · 28th November 2005, 05:50 PM

The book Ariel mentioned is beautiful indeed. There is a picture of an axe (my sketch of this axe below), but I wonder is it Guards axe, while in presentation text we can find information about "Ambassadorial Axe". But I believe it's a good hint anyway! On the picture we can see that axe is inlayed with gold wire, there is Russian two-headed eagle among the other plaits.

Regards!

Rivkin · 28th November 2005, 11:16 PM

These axes are very different from the ancient rus ones. Attached are status
(lords') axes of the northern areas.

Rivkin · 28th November 2005, 11:31 PM

I heard that A.V. Viskovatov "Histrocal description of cloth and arms of russian military" has some depictions of old Kremlin guard.

btw, could it be polish in origin? Seems these axes are more similar to the weapon of russian strelzy (Harcerzy): berdysz (I always thought its a polish word ?)

Rivkin · 28th November 2005, 11:44 PM

Ok, it is described as "ambassadorial axe, short version of berdysz". The name is that same as the name of the guards themselves - Rynda, it says that it translates as "knights". Was established in 1479 by Basil the third, their weapon was called "ambassodorial axe" because during Ivan the Terrible their role was limited to being present during the visits of foreign ambassadors, they did not leave the residence itself. Their role as guards was transferred to oprichniks' guard. Reappeared as guards after the abolition of oprichniks. Abolished by Peter the Great.

27th November 2005, 04:26 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Ariel, why don't you PM Wolveix wher to find it - he might even buy the book?

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wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	The book Ariel mentioned is beautiful indeed. There is a picture of an axe (my sketch of this axe below), but I wonder is it Guards axe, while in presentation text we can find information about "Ambassadorial Axe". But I believe it's a good hint anyway! On the picture we can see that axe is inlayed with gold wire, there is Russian two-headed eagle among the other plaits. Regards! Attached Images

28th November 2005, 11:16 PM	#5
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	These axes are very different from the ancient rus ones. Attached are status (lords') axes of the northern areas. Attached Images

27th November 2005, 03:49 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	There is a book on e-bay right now dealing with russian tsars arsenal. I cannot post it now but will do when the auction ends. There is a picture of the ax in question.

28th November 2005, 11:31 PM	#6
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	I heard that A.V. Viskovatov "Histrocal description of cloth and arms of russian military" has some depictions of old Kremlin guard. btw, could it be polish in origin? Seems these axes are more similar to the weapon of russian strelzy (Harcerzy): berdysz (I always thought its a polish word ?)

28th November 2005, 11:44 PM	#7
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Ok, it is described as "ambassadorial axe, short version of berdysz". The name is that same as the name of the guards themselves - Rynda, it says that it translates as "knights". Was established in 1479 by Basil the third, their weapon was called "ambassodorial axe" because during Ivan the Terrible their role was limited to being present during the visits of foreign ambassadors, they did not leave the residence itself. Their role as guards was transferred to oprichniks' guard. Reappeared as guards after the abolition of oprichniks. Abolished by Peter the Great.