Kris & Sundang twist core Ganja or Gonjo

David · 13th August 2014, 06:13 PM

Technically, if this is indeed a Malay sundang, discussion of it probably belongs on the Keris Forum. You may get a different attention over there. I will discuss this with my co-mod, Rick.

Gavin Nugent · 13th August 2014, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Technically, if this is indeed a Malay sundang, discussion of it probably belongs on the Keris Forum. You may get a different attention over there. I will discuss this with my co-mod, Rick.

Hi David,

I thought about posting there but offered the question up here as Kris far outweigh Sundang in these pages, especially twist core examples. If the trait is found to be only Sundang specific, then it might be worth dropping it in a little later...for now I am hoping any twist core owners are viewing their collections with more interest...see what comes out if anything as I am very sure it is not very common.

Emanuel · 13th August 2014, 07:47 PM

Hello,

Keris gonjo is made by cutting a piece of material from the blade forging, as shown in the video posted here, so the gonjo should be of the same pattern-welded material as the blade.

If this forging method is also common to Malay pieces, then I would expect the twistcore gonjo to be fairly common to most twistcore sundang

I will be sure to may more attention to the gonjo from now on.

Emanuel

Gavin Nugent · 14th August 2014, 02:54 AM

Thanks Emanuel.

I do find this area of Kris, Sundang and Keris very interesting.

I am not smith but there are some very tricky methods used to obtain some very beautiful and amazing Gonjo that are often overlooked...some no matter how hard I look, I cannot fathom how they were made, equally so for the blades.

With regards to the initial image presented, visually, to me, this appears to be a good insight in to twistcore manufacture well before final forging, a thick non flattened twistcore cross section. Ric may be able to chime in here too.

Lets see what comes out of the Twistie collectors collections.

Gustav · 14th August 2014, 08:37 AM

Gavin, you surely have found this:

www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8087

Gavin Nugent · 14th August 2014, 09:02 AM

Thank you Gustav,

I did see this through twistcore searches. I am surprised the discussion ended there.

I saw a hint of twistcore Gonjo in this rare example that Maurice presented, post #25.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...stcore+Sundang

These two and mine also all share a similar chevron layering at the base of the blade or differing quality.

Of all the Moro Twistcore Kris I viewed within these pages, I could not find one twisted Gonjo.

So David, until such time a Moro example is placed here, this might suit you better in the Keris forum

David · 17th August 2014, 02:08 AM

Well then, let's see if this thread gets any traction here on the keris forum since this is technically an Indonesian Keris.
As was suggested earlier i believe, more images would probably be helpful to the discussion.

14th August 2014, 02:54 AM	#4
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thanks Emanuel. I do find this area of Kris, Sundang and Keris very interesting. I am not smith but there are some very tricky methods used to obtain some very beautiful and amazing Gonjo that are often overlooked...some no matter how hard I look, I cannot fathom how they were made, equally so for the blades. With regards to the initial image presented, visually, to me, this appears to be a good insight in to twistcore manufacture well before final forging, a thick non flattened twistcore cross section. Ric may be able to chime in here too. Lets see what comes out of the Twistie collectors collections. Last edited by SwordsAntiqueWeapons; 14th August 2014 at 08:56 AM. Reason: Second thoughts on the alignment of the Twistcore Gonjo

14th August 2014, 09:02 AM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thank you Gustav, I did see this through twistcore searches. I am surprised the discussion ended there. I saw a hint of twistcore Gonjo in this rare example that Maurice presented, post #25. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...stcore+Sundang These two and mine also all share a similar chevron layering at the base of the blade or differing quality. Of all the Moro Twistcore Kris I viewed within these pages, I could not find one twisted Gonjo. So David, until such time a Moro example is placed here, this might suit you better in the Keris forum Last edited by SwordsAntiqueWeapons; 14th August 2014 at 09:50 AM.

13th August 2014, 06:13 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Technically, if this is indeed a Malay sundang, discussion of it probably belongs on the Keris Forum. You may get a different attention over there. I will discuss this with my co-mod, Rick.

13th August 2014, 07:47 PM	#3
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hello, Keris gonjo is made by cutting a piece of material from the blade forging, as shown in the video posted here, so the gonjo should be of the same pattern-welded material as the blade. If this forging method is also common to Malay pieces, then I would expect the twistcore gonjo to be fairly common to most twistcore sundang I will be sure to may more attention to the gonjo from now on. Emanuel

14th August 2014, 08:37 AM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Gavin, you surely have found this: www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8087

17th August 2014, 02:08 AM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	Well then, let's see if this thread gets any traction here on the keris forum since this is technically an Indonesian Keris. As was suggested earlier i believe, more images would probably be helpful to the discussion.