Russian Guard axes - questions

Jens Nordlunde · 26th November 2005, 07:07 PM

Hi Wolviex, could the axes be from another country than Russia? The reason why I ask is, that I have been looking in the catalogue 'Musee de Tzarskoe-Selo', and not found anything looking like the axes you show, and I would expect to find axes like that in a catalogue from Russia - although it is no garantee. I am sure you have been looking in the catalogue too

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Jens

Rivkin · 26th November 2005, 07:32 PM

These axes disappeared long begore Tsarskoe Selo collection was formed... I doubt there are any in St.Petersburg area, there are axes are so Moscow.

wolviex · 27th November 2005, 01:30 PM

Hello Jens!
I'm sure axes are Russian. I was looking for them in some Russian books, but I found nothing. This picture is from old book "Risunki odiezdy u wooruzenija Rossijskich wojsk" (I tried to transliterate from Russian alphabet, so excuse me any mistakes.

Hello Rivkin!
Yes, I believe they're Moscow, while in 17th century the court was still on Kremlin.

Jens Nordlunde · 27th November 2005, 03:25 PM

Hello Wolviex,

Which museum in Moscow would have old weapons, are there an armoury museum in Kremlin?

When I had asked the question above, I remembered that I have a small booklet called ‘Repertory of Museums of Arms and Military History, Copenhagen 1960.

Centralnij Musej Sovetskoj Armij (Central Museum of the Soviet Army), Municipal Square 2, Moscow.

Oruzejnaja Palata (State Armoury), The Kremlin.

Gosudarstvennij Istoritjesti Musej (The State Museum of History), The Red Square, House No. 1-2.

I realise that some, if not all, the museums can have changed their name, but museums don’t often change address. I am sorry, but that is all I have.

Jens

Aqtai · 27th November 2005, 03:46 PM

They are very similar to Mamluk tabars.

wolviex · 27th November 2005, 04:52 PM

[QUOTE=Aqtai]They are very similar to Mamluk tabars.

Yes, and to those used in Persia. I think Russian ones were created because of Persian/Turkish influences, but it's pure conjecture at the moment.

Ariel, please PM the link to me

. I don't know if I can buy the book, but I suppose it's worth to take a look. Thanks!

ariel · 27th November 2005, 03:49 PM

There is a book on e-bay right now dealing with russian tsars arsenal. I cannot post it now but will do when the auction ends. There is a picture of the ax in question.

Jens Nordlunde · 27th November 2005, 04:26 PM

Ariel, why don't you PM Wolveix wher to find it - he might even buy the book

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ariel · 27th November 2005, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Ariel, why don't you PM Wolveix wher to find it - he might even buy the book

?

Stupid, I guess.....

Wolviex, you have a message!!!!!

26th November 2005, 07:07 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Wolviex, could the axes be from another country than Russia? The reason why I ask is, that I have been looking in the catalogue 'Musee de Tzarskoe-Selo', and not found anything looking like the axes you show, and I would expect to find axes like that in a catalogue from Russia - although it is no garantee. I am sure you have been looking in the catalogue too. Jens

27th November 2005, 04:52 PM	#6
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	[QUOTE=Aqtai]They are very similar to Mamluk tabars. Yes, and to those used in Persia. I think Russian ones were created because of Persian/Turkish influences, but it's pure conjecture at the moment. Ariel, please PM the link to me . I don't know if I can buy the book, but I suppose it's worth to take a look. Thanks! Attached Images

27th November 2005, 04:26 PM	#8
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Ariel, why don't you PM Wolveix wher to find it - he might even buy the book?

26th November 2005, 07:32 PM	#2
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	These axes disappeared long begore Tsarskoe Selo collection was formed... I doubt there are any in St.Petersburg area, there are axes are so Moscow.

27th November 2005, 01:30 PM	#3
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Hello Jens! I'm sure axes are Russian. I was looking for them in some Russian books, but I found nothing. This picture is from old book "Risunki odiezdy u wooruzenija Rossijskich wojsk" (I tried to transliterate from Russian alphabet, so excuse me any mistakes. Hello Rivkin! Yes, I believe they're Moscow, while in 17th century the court was still on Kremlin.

27th November 2005, 03:25 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hello Wolviex, Which museum in Moscow would have old weapons, are there an armoury museum in Kremlin? When I had asked the question above, I remembered that I have a small booklet called ‘Repertory of Museums of Arms and Military History, Copenhagen 1960. Centralnij Musej Sovetskoj Armij (Central Museum of the Soviet Army), Municipal Square 2, Moscow. Oruzejnaja Palata (State Armoury), The Kremlin. Gosudarstvennij Istoritjesti Musej (The State Museum of History), The Red Square, House No. 1-2. I realise that some, if not all, the museums can have changed their name, but museums don’t often change address. I am sorry, but that is all I have. Jens

27th November 2005, 03:46 PM	#5
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	They are very similar to Mamluk tabars.

27th November 2005, 03:49 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	There is a book on e-bay right now dealing with russian tsars arsenal. I cannot post it now but will do when the auction ends. There is a picture of the ax in question.