PESH KABZ DAGGER FOR COMMENT

Ian · 25th November 2005, 08:00 PM

Hi Lew:

Like a choora -- but not quite. I wonder if this is a relatively recent Uzbeck or Pakistan knife. Or from a group thereabout. The cloth covering on the sheath is atypical for the usual Khyber knives, which have leather-covered wooden sheaths, and may offer a clue to its origins.

Interesting piece. Did this one come from Sue?

Ian.

Lew · 25th November 2005, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Hi Lew:

Like a choora -- but not quite. I wonder if this is a relatively recent Uzbeck or Pakistan knife. Or from a group thereabout. The cloth covering on the sheath is atypical for the usual Khyber knives, which have leather-covered wooden sheaths, and may offer a clue to its origins.

Interesting piece. Did this one come from Sue?

Ian.

Hi Ian

Yes it came from Sue. I don't think this is a recently made dagger there is quite a bit of age on the tang and the horn also has age I would place it's age around the begining of the 20th century to about 1920 but it could be as late as the 1940s its hard to say due to the cleaning. I did some tests on some heavy corrugated card board and it went through it with little effort. I would hate to be on the receiving end of this beasty

Lew

Lew

Tim Simmons · 25th November 2005, 08:36 PM

Hi Lew , the dagger looks great I am a little unsure of the scabbard. The material looks pretty new to be honest. Just my first impression. Tim

ariel · 25th November 2005, 09:15 PM

I am a bit puzzled about "Indian ricasso": all Khybers/karud I own start the edge right after the bolster.
Looks like Pakistani to me and not very old.

Lew · 25th November 2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

I am a bit puzzled about "Indian ricasso": all Khybers/karud I own start the edge right after the bolster.
Looks like Pakistani to me and not very old.

Ariel

The scabbard I agree is more recent but there is patina on the underside of the hilt that shows age I don't really think it is more than 60 years old but it is one mean razor sharp puppy and I am quite pleased with it. That is the problem with over cleaning stuff it makes it really hard to get a handle on it's age. The horn has the same patina as some of my WW2 Philippine bolos.

Lew

ariel · 26th November 2005, 12:04 AM

You are correct: well patinated. Couldn't see it on previous pics.
The ricasso is still a mystery.

RobT · 26th November 2005, 09:12 PM

Hi all,
What strikes me as unusual is the small step on the underside of the hilt. I don't think this is typical of the commonly seen pesh kabz hilts. Since the tang repeats this feature, I think it is more than an "artistic" afterthought and might be an indicator of a regional variant. I have a khyber knife with a similar (albeit more pronounced) step in the hilt. I have seen some Sarajevo knives where this step is exaggerated into a finger groove. Any thoughts?
Sincerely,
RobT

25th November 2005, 08:00 PM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,469	Nice find Hi Lew: Like a choora -- but not quite. I wonder if this is a relatively recent Uzbeck or Pakistan knife. Or from a group thereabout. The cloth covering on the sheath is atypical for the usual Khyber knives, which have leather-covered wooden sheaths, and may offer a clue to its origins. Interesting piece. Did this one come from Sue? Ian.

26th November 2005, 09:12 PM	#7
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 566	Atypical hilt Hi all, What strikes me as unusual is the small step on the underside of the hilt. I don't think this is typical of the commonly seen pesh kabz hilts. Since the tang repeats this feature, I think it is more than an "artistic" afterthought and might be an indicator of a regional variant. I have a khyber knife with a similar (albeit more pronounced) step in the hilt. I have seen some Sarajevo knives where this step is exaggerated into a finger groove. Any thoughts? Sincerely, RobT

25th November 2005, 08:36 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,888	Hi Lew , the dagger looks great I am a little unsure of the scabbard. The material looks pretty new to be honest. Just my first impression. Tim

25th November 2005, 09:15 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I am a bit puzzled about "Indian ricasso": all Khybers/karud I own start the edge right after the bolster. Looks like Pakistani to me and not very old.

26th November 2005, 12:04 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	You are correct: well patinated. Couldn't see it on previous pics. The ricasso is still a mystery.