Sundang and kampilan for comment

Gavin Nugent · 2nd August 2014, 11:19 PM

I'd say the break is under the material at the centre of the grip and put back together incorrectly.

drac2k · 3rd August 2014, 06:47 AM

Well.... unless I have the rarest Kampillan in the world, the only one with the pommel facing in the opposite direction, I'd have to admit that you are probably on the right track. The blade is straight and true, and can not be removed (I don't think), without destroying the handle,for it is set in very firmly ;if the blade was broken, then I don't think it would have aligned as correctly or logically break at it's strongest point(under the handle). I think the whole blade probably came out, and a collector did a great job of reinserting it, unfortunately backwards.

Sajen · 3rd August 2014, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by drac2k

Well.... unless I have the rarest Kampillan in the world, the only one with the pommel facing in the opposite direction, I'd have to admit that you are probably on the right track.

Not the only one. Not long ago there was a kampilan listed by ebay where the blade also has been upside down. Unfortunately I haven't saved the pictures.

Regards,
Detlef

CharlesS · 3rd August 2014, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drac2k

Well.... unless I have the rarest Kampillan in the world, the only one with the pommel facing in the opposite direction, I'd have to admit that you are probably on the right track. The blade is straight and true, and can not be removed (I don't think), without destroying the handle,for it is set in very firmly ;if the blade was broken, then I don't think it would have aligned as correctly or logically break at it's strongest point(under the handle). I think the whole blade probably came out, and a collector did a great job of reinserting it, unfortunately backwards.

I think both you and Gavin are spot on here. It's a shame, but not the end of the world. A swordsmith could heat the blade, remove and remount it, but I'd carefully consider that decision.

drac2k · 3rd August 2014, 03:07 PM

Do you know of any swordsmiths that do this type of work stateside ? If they are anything like the gunsmiths I've encountered, they will have your items for 2 or 3 years and you will have to beg them for your stuff back and pay a king's ransom !
What holds the sword blade in place other than pitch ;I don't think this one is pinned in.I was thinking of taking a dental tool and slowly, over the course of many days, try to remove the pitch from the top of the guard, and loosen the blade.
In the meantime, I'll put it with the rest of my kampillans(yes, I should have known better), with a mental note "lesson learned."

Sajen · 3rd August 2014, 03:22 PM

You also can carefully try to heat the blade to loosen it from the handle. For this you can use for example a candle. I have done this with several keris blades to loosen the handles.

Regards,
Detlef

drac2k · 3rd August 2014, 04:57 PM

Thanks for the info ; is pitch the only thing that holds the blade in ? If so, it may be worth a try.The other worry I have is that the previous owner didn't use a pitch, but an epoxy.

Sajen · 3rd August 2014, 06:42 PM

I don't know if there is anything else which hold the handle at the blade, just try it, nothing worth can happen. Epoxy will also react by heat.

Best,
Detlef

2nd August 2014, 11:19 PM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	I'd say the break is under the material at the centre of the grip and put back together incorrectly.

3rd August 2014, 06:47 AM	#2
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,258	Well.... unless I have the rarest Kampillan in the world, the only one with the pommel facing in the opposite direction, I'd have to admit that you are probably on the right track. The blade is straight and true, and can not be removed (I don't think), without destroying the handle,for it is set in very firmly ;if the blade was broken, then I don't think it would have aligned as correctly or logically break at it's strongest point(under the handle). I think the whole blade probably came out, and a collector did a great job of reinserting it, unfortunately backwards.

3rd August 2014, 03:07 PM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,258	Do you know of any swordsmiths that do this type of work stateside ? If they are anything like the gunsmiths I've encountered, they will have your items for 2 or 3 years and you will have to beg them for your stuff back and pay a king's ransom ! What holds the sword blade in place other than pitch ;I don't think this one is pinned in.I was thinking of taking a dental tool and slowly, over the course of many days, try to remove the pitch from the top of the guard, and loosen the blade. In the meantime, I'll put it with the rest of my kampillans(yes, I should have known better), with a mental note "lesson learned."

3rd August 2014, 03:22 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,205	You also can carefully try to heat the blade to loosen it from the handle. For this you can use for example a candle. I have done this with several keris blades to loosen the handles. Regards, Detlef

3rd August 2014, 04:57 PM	#7
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,258	Thanks for the info ; is pitch the only thing that holds the blade in ? If so, it may be worth a try.The other worry I have is that the previous owner didn't use a pitch, but an epoxy.

3rd August 2014, 06:42 PM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,205	I don't know if there is anything else which hold the handle at the blade, just try it, nothing worth can happen. Epoxy will also react by heat. Best, Detlef