SCHIAVONA SWORD VARIATIONS.

Bob Hurley · 23rd May 2014, 01:10 AM

Here are photos of another schiavona for consideration and member comments. I purchased this recently at auction because I love the look of schiavonas. This sword has some interesting characteristics. The auction description listed as 18th century in the style of 16th century. Based upon another member's comments about the mouse ladder of the guard, it appears to be after 1750. the overall length of the sword is 40 3/4 inches and the blade itself measures 34 1/2". The blade is also very interesting as it has an inscription "INTI DOMNNI" and a mark which appears to be the Passau wolf. I found a web link to an opinion about this inscription. The writer believes it means something like "my esteemed lord's gift or property". Based on an often displayed chart of the design of the wolf, it is from 16th century. If the blade is German, could this still be a Venetian schiavona or dalmation schiavona? The sword is in good condition except that the wire guard which attaches to the pommel seems to be broken. The pommel is in the cat's head design, but has a flower outline instead of a cat or lion's face as we have seen with other schiavonas. Also the grip may very well be a replacement since it is a wire wrapped style and not leather wrapped as would likely have been in original condition. So what does everyone think? Is this a composite sword with a blade from a different source, or is this an original sword with a replacement grip? Any ideas on true age based on the design? Thank you all very much for looking and providing your opinions and guidance. I am a brand new member and have just begun collecting in the last year.

asomotif · 23rd August 2015, 10:10 PM

Not my field of collecting, but I saw a few schiavona's in Genoa in Castel D'Albertis museum.

Best regards,
Willem

fernando · 24th August 2015, 12:10 PM

Beautiful. Thanks for sharing.

kronckew · 24th August 2015, 04:37 PM

i've always thought they looked cool, but as noted earlier, the originals are well above my pay grade. especially in useable condition.

then their was the TV series 'The Three Musketeers', aside from their incredulous and horrendously inaccurate leather clothing/armour their rapiers were interesting. porthos' especially. he appears to carry a schiavona unlike the other two. (see attached photo)

of course, someone decided to cash in and make reasonable 'munitions' grade replicas for the reenactors market. i now have my schavona, the blade is HC steel, hardened , tempered and razor sharp. 1.5kg. it'll do as a place holder until i win the lottery. not a 'cats' head pommel, tho i did see one of the originals way above in this thread, post 46, labelled 93 (nr. 126) with a similar pommel.

23rd May 2014, 01:10 AM	#1
Bob Hurley Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Prairie Grove, Illinois, USA Posts: 1	Another Schiavona for consideration Here are photos of another schiavona for consideration and member comments. I purchased this recently at auction because I love the look of schiavonas. This sword has some interesting characteristics. The auction description listed as 18th century in the style of 16th century. Based upon another member's comments about the mouse ladder of the guard, it appears to be after 1750. the overall length of the sword is 40 3/4 inches and the blade itself measures 34 1/2". The blade is also very interesting as it has an inscription "INTI DOMNNI" and a mark which appears to be the Passau wolf. I found a web link to an opinion about this inscription. The writer believes it means something like "my esteemed lord's gift or property". Based on an often displayed chart of the design of the wolf, it is from 16th century. If the blade is German, could this still be a Venetian schiavona or dalmation schiavona? The sword is in good condition except that the wire guard which attaches to the pommel seems to be broken. The pommel is in the cat's head design, but has a flower outline instead of a cat or lion's face as we have seen with other schiavonas. Also the grip may very well be a replacement since it is a wire wrapped style and not leather wrapped as would likely have been in original condition. So what does everyone think? Is this a composite sword with a blade from a different source, or is this an original sword with a replacement grip? Any ideas on true age based on the design? Thank you all very much for looking and providing your opinions and guidance. I am a brand new member and have just begun collecting in the last year. Attached Images

23rd August 2015, 10:10 PM	#2
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Not my field of collecting, but I saw a few schiavona's in Genoa in Castel D'Albertis museum. Best regards, Willem Attached Images

24th August 2015, 04:37 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,225	i've always thought they looked cool, but as noted earlier, the originals are well above my pay grade. especially in useable condition. then their was the TV series 'The Three Musketeers', aside from their incredulous and horrendously inaccurate leather clothing/armour their rapiers were interesting. porthos' especially. he appears to carry a schiavona unlike the other two. (see attached photo) of course, someone decided to cash in and make reasonable 'munitions' grade replicas for the reenactors market. i now have my schavona, the blade is HC steel, hardened , tempered and razor sharp. 1.5kg. it'll do as a place holder until i win the lottery. not a 'cats' head pommel, tho i did see one of the originals way above in this thread, post 46, labelled 93 (nr. 126) with a similar pommel. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 24th August 2015 at 04:54 PM.

24th August 2015, 12:10 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Beautiful. Thanks for sharing.