Re: The oldest known handgun in existence, ca. 1400-10

Andi · 7th May 2014, 05:23 PM

I am wondering about the fact that DHM described its handgonne reconstruction with hook aquisition no W 86/1 as "Tannenberg-Büchse Nachbildung" (Tannenberg-Handgonne Reconstruction) while the original is without a hook. Even the second fragment of a bronze handgonne found in Tannenberg will not allow the reconstruction with a hook as this part was not preserved.
In my opinion DHM's description should have been expressed somewhat more generally without "Tannenberg".

Matchlock · 7th May 2014, 05:42 PM

Exactly, Andi,

I know their experts very well.
Like 99 per cent of all museum curators, they are art historians, and consequently do not know a thing about weapons in general, let alone earliest firearms!
Actually, they condemn weapons, and they despise everybody who is interested in those objects!

And that's a fact.
It's the same sad old story in any museum, wherever you go ...

And, of course, they do not care either ...

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 8th May 2014, 05:39 PM

As this thread is almost six years old, and has had almost 10,000 views - thank you all for reading! - , it is time to post better photos of my 'cover gun' that this thread basically was about - see my starting post.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 8th May 2014, 05:51 PM

And a few more.

Enjoy, and thanks again!

m

fernando · 8th May 2014, 07:23 PM

Such unique and most fascinating specimen. Thanks for sharing the excelent photos.

Matchlock · 8th May 2014, 07:40 PM

My pleasure, Nando,

As I obviously cannot present all of you with the real gun

, in a way I felt likeI owing the community better images.
Only very few people from the forum have attended my collection so far, and experienced the overwhelming impression of a room full of earliest Nothern European 'military' long guns, as well as hundreds of pieces of accouterments, including that very special 'perfume' of 400 to 700 year-old objects and leather.
Actually, only Alexender (Spiridonov) from St. Petersburg and Marcus from the Netherlands have made it to my home so far.

Best,
Michl

Matchlock · 8th May 2014, 08:03 PM

It's been done; this thread has collected over 10,000 views!
Thank you so much all of you, I will try and hang on posting.

Best,
Michael

Marcus den toom · 8th May 2014, 08:04 PM

And all things considered, my crusade of 10 hours by train was far (!) better than King Arthur his venture in Monthy python and the holy grail. Sadly i did not encounter any stereotypical French soldiers or three headed knights, other than that it was A journey well worth taking, for at the end lies the holy grail of all collections and a great tour

That handgun had such an athmosphere around it, you just could see yourself back into the past when this rarity was still wet from the minium.

ps Michl, only 119 post and you are at 4000, another milestone

8th May 2014, 05:39 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	As this thread is almost six years old, and has had almost 10,000 views - thank you all for reading! - , it is time to post better photos of my 'cover gun' that this thread basically was about - see my starting post. Best, Michael Attached Images

8th May 2014, 05:51 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	And a few more. Enjoy, and thanks again! m Attached Images

8th May 2014, 08:03 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	It's been done; this thread has collected over 10,000 views! Thank you so much all of you, I will try and hang on posting. Best, Michael Attached Images

7th May 2014, 05:23 PM	#1
Andi Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Halstenbek, Germany Posts: 203	I am wondering about the fact that DHM described its handgonne reconstruction with hook aquisition no W 86/1 as "Tannenberg-Büchse Nachbildung" (Tannenberg-Handgonne Reconstruction) while the original is without a hook. Even the second fragment of a bronze handgonne found in Tannenberg will not allow the reconstruction with a hook as this part was not preserved. In my opinion DHM's description should have been expressed somewhat more generally without "Tannenberg".

7th May 2014, 05:42 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Exactly, Andi, I know their experts very well. Like 99 per cent of all museum curators, they are art historians, and consequently do not know a thing about weapons in general, let alone earliest firearms! Actually, they condemn weapons, and they despise everybody who is interested in those objects! And that's a fact. It's the same sad old story in any museum, wherever you go ... And, of course, they do not care either ... Best, Michael

8th May 2014, 07:23 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Such unique and most fascinating specimen. Thanks for sharing the excelent photos.

8th May 2014, 07:40 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	My pleasure, Nando, As I obviously cannot present all of you with the real gun , in a way I felt likeI owing the community better images. Only very few people from the forum have attended my collection so far, and experienced the overwhelming impression of a room full of earliest Nothern European 'military' long guns, as well as hundreds of pieces of accouterments, including that very special 'perfume' of 400 to 700 year-old objects and leather. Actually, only Alexender (Spiridonov) from St. Petersburg and Marcus from the Netherlands have made it to my home so far. Best, Michl

8th May 2014, 08:04 PM	#8
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	And all things considered, my crusade of 10 hours by train was far (!) better than King Arthur his venture in Monthy python and the holy grail. Sadly i did not encounter any stereotypical French soldiers or three headed knights, other than that it was A journey well worth taking, for at the end lies the holy grail of all collections and a great tour That handgun had such an athmosphere around it, you just could see yourself back into the past when this rarity was still wet from the minium. ps Michl, only 119 post and you are at 4000, another milestone