The ONLY KNOWN ORIGINAL INCENDIARY GUN ARROW, 14th-15th century!!!

Matchlock · 6th May 2014, 08:09 PM

My pleasure, Machinist,

I would not really call the state of preservation that arrow is in 'working order', though ...

Best,
Michael

Marcus den toom · 6th May 2014, 09:03 PM

I wouldn't be so sure about that Michl, it is german quality afterall

Matchlock · 6th May 2014, 09:51 PM

Thank you so much, Marcus,

Oh, it sure was 'made in Germany' about half a thousand years ago - but so am I, and I'm only 61.

Now, what of us humble living beings will have survived in 500 years?

I think these old, part organic objects that some of us are lucky enough to possess and touch for a span of time, have been doing much better so far ...

Best,
Michl

Marcus den toom · 15th May 2014, 09:08 PM

I found this incendiary crossbow arrow of similare structure as the incendiary gun arrow.

The auction company compares the crossbow arrow with one at the Museum of history in Bern (germany). The arrow at this museum was found at the fortress of Altbüron (today's Switserland) which was destroyed in the year 1309.

This arrow at the museum gives us an even earlier date as to this design. Like Michael already stated though, the depiction of such a gunarrow with cannon first appeared in 1326-7

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Auction: Hermann-Historica, 59 lot number 4609. qpril 9/10th 2010.

Matchlock · 19th May 2014, 11:45 AM

This unique piece was purchased at That ouction by the Armory of the Veste Coburg, Northern Bavaria, and is now proudly preserved in their collections!

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Marcus den toom · 19th May 2014, 01:24 PM

Thank you Michl,

The price was absolutely ridiculous, but Coburg deserved this lucky bargain.
I enquired about the specimen that was found in the ruins of Altbüron and was told that in 2012 Christoph Rösch made a book with this piece in it: "Altbüron. Die Metallfunde der 1309 zerstörten Burg. Archäologische Schriften Luzern 14, Luzern 2012. "

Andi · 30th June 2017, 09:19 AM

I hope Michl will watch my reconstruction of the Loshult cannon from Above. It is made of brass on a lathe, grinded, smoothed, hammered for the casting shape and polished. Next year we will hopefully geht the official proof shot from our authorities.

The technical data lightly differs from the original due to safety reasons in order to get the official proof shot:

Lenght over all: 300 mm
Outer Diameter: at the chamber 110 mm, at the muzzle 70 mm
Leght of barrel: 270 mm
- flight: ca. 205 mm
- chamber: ca. 65 mm
Caliber: from chamber till 100 mm behind the muzzle 31 mm, at the muzzle 36 mm
Diameter of chamber: 36 mm
Weight: 9.050 g

The next step is to reconstruct a carriage for it.

15th May 2014, 09:08 PM	#4
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Incendiary crossbow arrow I found this incendiary crossbow arrow of similare structure as the incendiary gun arrow. The auction company compares the crossbow arrow with one at the Museum of history in Bern (germany). The arrow at this museum was found at the fortress of Altbüron (today's Switserland) which was destroyed in the year 1309. This arrow at the museum gives us an even earlier date as to this design. Like Michael already stated though, the depiction of such a gunarrow with cannon first appeared in 1326-7 . Auction: Hermann-Historica, 59 lot number 4609. qpril 9/10th 2010. Last edited by Marcus den toom; 16th May 2014 at 08:56 AM.

30th June 2017, 09:19 AM	#7
Andi Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Halstenbek, Germany Posts: 203	I hope Michl will watch my reconstruction of the Loshult cannon from Above. It is made of brass on a lathe, grinded, smoothed, hammered for the casting shape and polished. Next year we will hopefully geht the official proof shot from our authorities. The technical data lightly differs from the original due to safety reasons in order to get the official proof shot: Lenght over all: 300 mm Outer Diameter: at the chamber 110 mm, at the muzzle 70 mm Leght of barrel: 270 mm - flight: ca. 205 mm - chamber: ca. 65 mm Caliber: from chamber till 100 mm behind the muzzle 31 mm, at the muzzle 36 mm Diameter of chamber: 36 mm Weight: 9.050 g The next step is to reconstruct a carriage for it. Attached Images Last edited by Andi; 30th June 2017 at 09:49 AM.

6th May 2014, 08:09 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	My pleasure, Machinist, I would not really call the state of preservation that arrow is in 'working order', though ... Best, Michael

6th May 2014, 09:03 PM	#2
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	I wouldn't be so sure about that Michl, it is german quality afterall

6th May 2014, 09:51 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Thank you so much, Marcus, Oh, it sure was 'made in Germany' about half a thousand years ago - but so am I, and I'm only 61. Now, what of us humble living beings will have survived in 500 years? I think these old, part organic objects that some of us are lucky enough to possess and touch for a span of time, have been doing much better so far ... Best, Michl

19th May 2014, 11:45 AM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	This unique piece was purchased at That ouction by the Armory of the Veste Coburg, Northern Bavaria, and is now proudly preserved in their collections! m

19th May 2014, 01:24 PM	#6
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Thank you Michl, The price was absolutely ridiculous, but Coburg deserved this lucky bargain. I enquired about the specimen that was found in the ruins of Altbüron and was told that in 2012 Christoph Rösch made a book with this piece in it: "Altbüron. Die Metallfunde der 1309 zerstörten Burg. Archäologische Schriften Luzern 14, Luzern 2012. "