Interesting Philippine Sundang for comment

Gustav · 29th April 2014, 12:17 PM

In original auction listing it was going as part of the William Herbert McGinty collection. Collected between the late 1800's and early 1900's, in storage since 1930's.

I don't thrust auction descriptions much, and it looks like quite later then early 1900's kris to me also, yet could we expect a separate Ganja on a post WWII example?

It seems to be evident that pointy luks appeared already around 1900:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...aranao+sundang

Gustav · 29th April 2014, 12:45 PM

Related blades of some interest:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...0940#post70940

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=naga+kris

drac2k · 29th April 2014, 01:36 PM

Wow, the picture shown looks very much like mine ; it could be it's brother. With the distinctive blade, could it have been made by the same "sword smith ," or a family member?
Now, I am confused; generally as a rule of thumb, I thought that the larger kris , with sharp luk(s), were WW2 or later .I have seen old postings from the Smithsonian with such swords attributed to being brought back from the Moro Insurrections, but as we all know, even museums get things wrong : so I thought ,maybe they made a mistake .At this time, I am not so sure .
Great information coming in from the forum !

kai · 29th April 2014, 10:01 PM

Hello Gustav,

Quote:

In original auction listing it was going as part of the William Herbert McGinty collection. Collected between the late 1800's and early 1900's, in storage since 1930's.

I don't thrust auction descriptions much, and it looks like quite later then early 1900's kris to me also, yet could we expect a separate Ganja on a post WWII example?

Sure, there are post-WW2 kris with seperate gangya, usually kalis from Sulu though.

I agree that auction listings have to be taken with a lump of salt.

However, this kris is of very decent quality and, even with only the pics to go by, I'd suggest a pre-1930 origin. As you already mentioned, there are more examples that are pretty much in line with this example, especially if we assume that "early 1900's" is not meant very strictly...

Regards,
Kai

drac2k · 30th April 2014, 01:55 AM

Thanks for the additional information, Kai. I never believe what is stated in an auction listing.I did get this kris and others(I also got outbid on some good ones), from the recent auction of items from the William Herbert Mcginty Collection.I can tell you that he had some great stuff! This was the second offering of his items and what I thought was my best kept secret until it was posted on this forum calling all members to arms.Even though I did better on the first listing(different auctioneer), I was pleased with the results.
In regards to etching, I am not experienced enough to try and I rather not harm an item, which by luck has been placed in my care.

29th April 2014, 12:17 PM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	In original auction listing it was going as part of the William Herbert McGinty collection. Collected between the late 1800's and early 1900's, in storage since 1930's. I don't thrust auction descriptions much, and it looks like quite later then early 1900's kris to me also, yet could we expect a separate Ganja on a post WWII example? It seems to be evident that pointy luks appeared already around 1900: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...aranao+sundang Last edited by Gustav; 29th April 2014 at 01:46 PM.

29th April 2014, 12:45 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Related blades of some interest: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...0940#post70940 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=naga+kris

29th April 2014, 01:36 PM	#3
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Wow, the picture shown looks very much like mine ; it could be it's brother. With the distinctive blade, could it have been made by the same "sword smith ," or a family member? Now, I am confused; generally as a rule of thumb, I thought that the larger kris , with sharp luk(s), were WW2 or later .I have seen old postings from the Smithsonian with such swords attributed to being brought back from the Moro Insurrections, but as we all know, even museums get things wrong : so I thought ,maybe they made a mistake .At this time, I am not so sure . Great information coming in from the forum !

30th April 2014, 01:55 AM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,255	Thanks for the additional information, Kai. I never believe what is stated in an auction listing.I did get this kris and others(I also got outbid on some good ones), from the recent auction of items from the William Herbert Mcginty Collection.I can tell you that he had some great stuff! This was the second offering of his items and what I thought was my best kept secret until it was posted on this forum calling all members to arms.Even though I did better on the first listing(different auctioneer), I was pleased with the results. In regards to etching, I am not experienced enough to try and I rather not harm an item, which by luck has been placed in my care.