A Most Curious Indian Tulwar with a Latin Cartouche/Crest

spiral · 24th March 2014, 10:42 PM

Ahhh it surfaces again! Enjoy!

I was amazed when Artzi sold it without spending a few minutes researching its provenance...

Its one of the famous lost treasures of Stowe...

linky for the lost...

Spiral

napoleon · 25th March 2014, 11:29 AM

what a choice weapon,fantastic provenance,lost treasures of stowe thanks for the link,and thanks for sharing a real gem

CharlesS · 25th March 2014, 05:01 PM

Spiral,

Thanks so much for your input, link, and info. You have turned what appeared to be an average vestige of the British Raj into a real piece of fascinating history.

Thanks again for such enlightening info!

spiral · 25th March 2014, 11:04 PM

Thank you.... I am always happy to share what bits of knowledge I have, sadly perhaps more often than not its not the best news for many...

I like sharing it much more when its good news though!

Enjoy!

Its a good provenance....

Spiral

ALEX · 31st March 2014, 03:20 PM

Here is another Mughal sword with Latin crest. It is not of same provenance, but I think of the same British Raj concept. What's interesting here is that the blade has similar cartouches on both sides, and there is another, older Islamic cartouche barely visible under the new one on the right side. Thank you for any ideas of origin and potential background!

spiral · 31st March 2014, 05:55 PM

Is the Latin readable? That's the place to start for the family associated ... then one gets date/rank... from the type of crown used to narrow it down..

Although of the top of my head must say the crown doesn't initially appear British to my eye.

Perhaps a Ranking Indian family that copied the Brit, style latin etc,?

Quite common for maharajah types to use Latin & have fairly European based coats of arms as well...

Spiral

31st March 2014, 03:20 PM	#5
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Here is another Mughal sword with Latin crest. It is not of same provenance, but I think of the same British Raj concept. What's interesting here is that the blade has similar cartouches on both sides, and there is another, older Islamic cartouche barely visible under the new one on the right side. Thank you for any ideas of origin and potential background! Attached Images

31st March 2014, 05:55 PM	#6
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Is the Latin readable? That's the place to start for the family associated ... then one gets date/rank... from the type of crown used to narrow it down.. Although of the top of my head must say the crown doesn't initially appear British to my eye. Perhaps a Ranking Indian family that copied the Brit, style latin etc,? Quite common for maharajah types to use Latin & have fairly European based coats of arms as well... Spiral Last edited by spiral; 31st March 2014 at 10:39 PM.

24th March 2014, 10:42 PM	#1
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Ahhh it surfaces again! Enjoy! I was amazed when Artzi sold it without spending a few minutes researching its provenance... Its one of the famous lost treasures of Stowe... linky for the lost... Spiral

25th March 2014, 11:29 AM	#2
napoleon Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 88	what a choice weapon,fantastic provenance,lost treasures of stowe thanks for the link,and thanks for sharing a real gem

25th March 2014, 05:01 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Spiral, Thanks so much for your input, link, and info. You have turned what appeared to be an average vestige of the British Raj into a real piece of fascinating history. Thanks again for such enlightening info!

25th March 2014, 11:04 PM	#4
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Thank you.... I am always happy to share what bits of knowledge I have, sadly perhaps more often than not its not the best news for many... I like sharing it much more when its good news though! Enjoy! Its a good provenance.... Spiral