14th-15th c.: How Powder and Ball etc. Were Kept Before Powder Flasks Appeared

Matchlock · 15th March 2014, 01:48 PM

For early 16th c. arquebusier's bandeliers with small powder measures of tinned iron etc., please see

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...940#post167940

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Matchlock · 19th March 2014, 11:58 AM

Here are two characteristic so-called soldier's 'purses', although the term 'purse' is way too narrowly considered and short-sighted.
Only the few small pouches with pull cords were meant for coins, while the other compartments had to hold all the tiny everyday things - in a period before ca. 1600 when pockets in garments had not been invented! For an arquebusier, accouterments like powder, wadding, pieces of cloth, a little bottle with oil and cleaning tools like a worm and a scourer were indispensable.

So, as I pointed out in my book

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...isse+kostbares

the term 'side bag' or 'belt bag' is more apt.

Both these bags were made in Nuremberg, ca. 1525-30. The first features some tricky and really cunning hidden mechanics to correctly open the iron frame, plus 8 compartments for various utensils and 5 pouches for coins; it once was in my collection. The second I photographed in the GNM (Germanic National Museum) Nuremberg.

Best,
Michael

Martin Moser · 22nd March 2014, 05:28 PM

Hi Michael,

a very nice purse indeed (and of course as I am especially interested in all things leather)!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

... in a period before ca. 1600 when pockets in garments had not been invented!

While you are certainly right for the most part, for the record there actually is a leather jerkin found in the wreck of the ship Mary Rose (sank 1545) that has a single pocket on the inside of the jerkin's left flap (Julie Gardiner: Before the Mast: Life and Death Aboard the Mary Rose (The Archaeology of the Mary Rose). p39).

Best,
Martin

Matchlock · 22nd March 2014, 05:48 PM

Hi Martin,

Alright, a jerkin made for a certain soldier and for a special purpose may be the proverbial exception that proves the rule.

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Spiridonov · 12th June 2017, 12:48 PM

Medieval german Containers for medicines looks like powder measures from Landshut Armory Inventory (Zeughausinventar) 1485

19th March 2014, 11:58 AM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Here are two characteristic so-called soldier's 'purses', although the term 'purse' is way too narrowly considered and short-sighted. Only the few small pouches with pull cords were meant for coins, while the other compartments had to hold all the tiny everyday things - in a period before ca. 1600 when pockets in garments had not been invented! For an arquebusier, accouterments like powder, wadding, pieces of cloth, a little bottle with oil and cleaning tools like a worm and a scourer were indispensable. So, as I pointed out in my book http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...isse+kostbares the term 'side bag' or 'belt bag' is more apt. Both these bags were made in Nuremberg, ca. 1525-30. The first features some tricky and really cunning hidden mechanics to correctly open the iron frame, plus 8 compartments for various utensils and 5 pouches for coins; it once was in my collection. The second I photographed in the GNM (Germanic National Museum) Nuremberg. Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 19th March 2014 at 02:16 PM.

22nd March 2014, 05:48 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Martin, Alright, a jerkin made for a certain soldier and for a special purpose may be the proverbial exception that proves the rule. m Last edited by Matchlock; 22nd March 2014 at 06:10 PM.

12th June 2017, 12:48 PM	#5
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	Medieval german Containers for medicines looks like powder measures from Landshut Armory Inventory (Zeughausinventar) 1485 Attached Images

15th March 2014, 01:48 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	For early 16th c. arquebusier's bandeliers with small powder measures of tinned iron etc., please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...940#post167940 m