Moro Kris Swords

Edmos1212 · 4th March 2014, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by David

I am sure you will get more feedback, but i can tell you that these are all from the latter part of the 20th century.

Thanks Sir David!

David · 4th March 2014, 02:17 PM

Do you own Robert Cato's book Moro Sword? It is out of print, but copies turn up on eBay from time to time as well as online used bookstores (i use bookbinder.com). This book might be helpful in your future collecting choices.

VANDOO · 4th March 2014, 04:50 PM

WELCOME TO THE FORUM.

AS DAVID MENTIONED THESE ITEMS ARE OF MORE RECENT MANUFACTURE.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH COLLECTING MORE RECENT WORK IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT AND THE WORKMANSHIP GOOD. IT ALSO KEEPS THE SWORD AND KNIFE MAKERS IN BUSINESS WHICH IS GOOD. YOU HAVE QUITE A SELECTION OF FORMS SHOWING MANY VARIATIONS. OVER TIME THE SOCIETY NATURALLY CHANGES AND SO DOES THE DESIGN AND WORKMANSHIP OF THE ARTEFACTS THEY PRODUCE.
I SEE SOME INDONESIAN INFLUENCE ON SOME OF YOUR ITEMS AND FEATURES FOUND MORE ON THE KERIS THAN ON MORO KRIS FORMS. THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM AS OUTSIDE INFLUENCE OFTEN COMES TO CRAFTSMEN.
A NICE COLLECTION.

DaveS · 4th March 2014, 09:51 PM

Edmos1212: I agree, they are all mostly post W.W.2, except the two that are in the second set of pictures on the far left with the short blade between them look like older blades that have been fitted with newer handles. They just seem to be of an older style, at least to my eye anyway.........Dave.

Edmos1212 · 5th March 2014, 01:19 AM

Thanks guys for your honest assessments. Admittedly, i bought them based on their aesthetic appearance than on its "antique" value (assuming there was one). Bottomline for me is that this was made by the moro people from the southern philippines (except for the keris) and is authentic rather than replicas created by other regions and/or countries like china. I would know because i did personally scour the muslim community to get these. Expectedly, i bought this at a not-so-expensive price which led me to believe from the start that this is not antique. Most of those i interacted with are maranaos. I have a tausug friend though who discovered my latest passion for swords and has promised to give to me the swords of his grandpa in sulu soon. If that happens, i'll surely post this for your comments and validation. I like this forum and this group. Made me a day wiser evvery visit. Salamat po!

VANDOO · 5th March 2014, 03:18 AM

I OFTEN ADD ITEMS TO MY COLLECTION BASED ON ITS AESTHETIC APPEAL OR BECAUSE IT IS UNUSUAL OR UNIQUE REGARDLESS OF ITS AGE.
THERE IS AN ADVANTAGE TO COLLECTING MORE RECENT ITEMS ESPECIALLY IF YOU LIVE IN THE REGION WHERE THEY ARE MADE. YOU HAVE GOOD PROVENANCE AS TO AGE AND WHERE MADE AND MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE WHO MAKE THEM. THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND DISCUSS THIER WORK WITH THEM AND PERHAPS PLACE A SPECIAL ORDER WOULD BE VERY EDUCATIONAL AND ADD TO THE ITEMS WORTH TO YOU PERSONALLY. YOU ARE LUCKY TO BE IN THE AREA WHERE THE THINGS YOU COLLECT ARE MADE AND WILL BE ABLE TO GET GOOD PROVANANCE BUT ALSO A GOOD PRICE.
ITS UNFORTUNATE THAT ON ALMOST ALL OLDER ITEMS THAT INFORMATION IS LOST. IT WOULD BE VERY COOL TO HAVE THE TRIBE, LOCATION MADE AND NAME OF THE FAMILY OR MAKER ON OLDER WEAPONS.

Battara · 5th March 2014, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edmos1212

Thanks guys for your honest assessments. Admittedly, i bought them based on their aesthetic appearance than on its "antique" value (assuming there was one). Bottomline for me is that this was made by the moro people from the southern philippines (except for the keris) and is authentic rather than replicas created by other regions and/or countries like china. I would know because i did personally scour the muslim community to get these. Expectedly, i bought this at a not-so-expensive price which led me to believe from the start that this is not antique. Most of those i interacted with are maranaos. I have a tausug friend though who discovered my latest passion for swords and has promised to give to me the swords of his grandpa in sulu soon. If that happens, i'll surely post this for your comments and validation. I like this forum and this group. Made me a day wiser evvery visit. Salamat po!

And thus instead of being fakes, they are simply recent.

David · 5th March 2014, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edmos1212

Bottomline for me is that this was made by the moro people from the southern philippines (except for the keris) and is authentic rather than replicas created by other regions and/or countries like china.

Edmos, which blade in your mix are you referring to as the "keris" here that is not made by the Moro people?

Edmos1212 · 5th March 2014, 07:45 AM

The biggest one in the middle, i think. That i did not buy from a moro but in an antique shop in manila. Maybe anyone is familiar with this type of kris/keris.

4th March 2014, 04:50 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WELCOME TO THE FORUM. AS DAVID MENTIONED THESE ITEMS ARE OF MORE RECENT MANUFACTURE. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH COLLECTING MORE RECENT WORK IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT AND THE WORKMANSHIP GOOD. IT ALSO KEEPS THE SWORD AND KNIFE MAKERS IN BUSINESS WHICH IS GOOD. YOU HAVE QUITE A SELECTION OF FORMS SHOWING MANY VARIATIONS. OVER TIME THE SOCIETY NATURALLY CHANGES AND SO DOES THE DESIGN AND WORKMANSHIP OF THE ARTEFACTS THEY PRODUCE. I SEE SOME INDONESIAN INFLUENCE ON SOME OF YOUR ITEMS AND FEATURES FOUND MORE ON THE KERIS THAN ON MORO KRIS FORMS. THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM AS OUTSIDE INFLUENCE OFTEN COMES TO CRAFTSMEN. A NICE COLLECTION. Last edited by VANDOO; 4th March 2014 at 08:17 PM.

5th March 2014, 03:18 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I OFTEN ADD ITEMS TO MY COLLECTION BASED ON ITS AESTHETIC APPEAL OR BECAUSE IT IS UNUSUAL OR UNIQUE REGARDLESS OF ITS AGE. THERE IS AN ADVANTAGE TO COLLECTING MORE RECENT ITEMS ESPECIALLY IF YOU LIVE IN THE REGION WHERE THEY ARE MADE. YOU HAVE GOOD PROVENANCE AS TO AGE AND WHERE MADE AND MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE WHO MAKE THEM. THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND DISCUSS THIER WORK WITH THEM AND PERHAPS PLACE A SPECIAL ORDER WOULD BE VERY EDUCATIONAL AND ADD TO THE ITEMS WORTH TO YOU PERSONALLY. YOU ARE LUCKY TO BE IN THE AREA WHERE THE THINGS YOU COLLECT ARE MADE AND WILL BE ABLE TO GET GOOD PROVANANCE BUT ALSO A GOOD PRICE. ITS UNFORTUNATE THAT ON ALMOST ALL OLDER ITEMS THAT INFORMATION IS LOST. IT WOULD BE VERY COOL TO HAVE THE TRIBE, LOCATION MADE AND NAME OF THE FAMILY OR MAKER ON OLDER WEAPONS. Last edited by VANDOO; 5th March 2014 at 03:38 AM.

4th March 2014, 02:17 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,237	Do you own Robert Cato's book Moro Sword? It is out of print, but copies turn up on eBay from time to time as well as online used bookstores (i use bookbinder.com). This book might be helpful in your future collecting choices.

4th March 2014, 09:51 PM	#4
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Edmos1212: I agree, they are all mostly post W.W.2, except the two that are in the second set of pictures on the far left with the short blade between them look like older blades that have been fitted with newer handles. They just seem to be of an older style, at least to my eye anyway.........Dave.

5th March 2014, 01:19 AM	#5
Edmos1212 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 23	Thanks guys for your honest assessments. Admittedly, i bought them based on their aesthetic appearance than on its "antique" value (assuming there was one). Bottomline for me is that this was made by the moro people from the southern philippines (except for the keris) and is authentic rather than replicas created by other regions and/or countries like china. I would know because i did personally scour the muslim community to get these. Expectedly, i bought this at a not-so-expensive price which led me to believe from the start that this is not antique. Most of those i interacted with are maranaos. I have a tausug friend though who discovered my latest passion for swords and has promised to give to me the swords of his grandpa in sulu soon. If that happens, i'll surely post this for your comments and validation. I like this forum and this group. Made me a day wiser evvery visit. Salamat po!

5th March 2014, 07:45 AM	#9
Edmos1212 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 23	The biggest one in the middle, i think. That i did not buy from a moro but in an antique shop in manila. Maybe anyone is familiar with this type of kris/keris.