Karabela origin?

Jim McDougall · 6th February 2014, 04:57 AM

Hi Archer,
Interesting note and indeed there has long been considerable debate on these distinctly hilted sabres, the term by which they are called notwithstanding. In Ostrowski (op.cit.) the author notes several possibilities for the term 'karabela', and it seems generally held that it probably derives as corrupted version of Kerbala, the city in Turkey. While these are also typically regarded as Ottoman sabres (well observed on the yelman), they became profoundly popular in Poland as parade sabres, though they certainly had their share of combat experience.
As you note these did find use in other countries as well

Thank you for posting these observations, and gad to have you here with us on the forum!!!

All very best regards,
Jim

ariel · 6th February 2014, 05:09 AM

Karbala is an Iraqi town that long ago belonged to Persia. That's where some people try to place the source of karabela.
However, karabela ( just a saber with a characteristic handle, no different from a tulwar with "pulwar" handle) is actually Turkish.
IMHO, the origin of the name is not Turkish "kara bela" and not the Italian " cara bella", but just a name of a Turkish town Karabel.
But this is just IMHO, and I am not going to get into a fight because of it :-)

archer burak · 7th February 2014, 09:12 PM

Thanks a lot dear friends , there is no possibilty about Karabela this is pure Türkish linguistic and Ker- bela city is now at the Iraq not in Turkey but dont we forget this is Ottoman Empire land at 600 years

also Poland we called Lehistan is also Ottoman Empire land too as a result of this karabela form is famous icon at the past

Sylektis · 19th February 2014, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by archer burak

Thanks a lot dear friends , there is no possibilty about Karabela this is pure Türkish linguistic and Ker- bela city is now at the Iraq not in Turkey but dont we forget this is Ottoman Empire land at 600 years

also Poland we called Lehistan is also Ottoman Empire land too as a result of this karabela form is famous icon at the past

Poland Ottoman Empire Land?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland

Andrew · 20th February 2014, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sylektis

Poland Ottoman Empire Land?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland

If we are going there (and I am far from convinced we should), let us proceed very carefully and leave any nationalistic or patriotic feelings at the door. Otherwise, there will be consequences.

This is not the place for socio-political debate.

archer burak · 22nd February 2014, 08:53 PM

Sorry but this history not politics , or ethnicity ,,,, and one thing more Poland name in Ottoman perriod was Lehistan ...thats history too...

Andrew · 23rd February 2014, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by archer burak

Sorry but this history not politics , or ethnicity ,,,, and one thing more Poland name in Ottoman perriod was Lehistan ...thats history too...

Nonsense. I will not ask again. Leave it alone.

6th February 2014, 04:57 AM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Hi Archer, Interesting note and indeed there has long been considerable debate on these distinctly hilted sabres, the term by which they are called notwithstanding. In Ostrowski (op.cit.) the author notes several possibilities for the term 'karabela', and it seems generally held that it probably derives as corrupted version of Kerbala, the city in Turkey. While these are also typically regarded as Ottoman sabres (well observed on the yelman), they became profoundly popular in Poland as parade sabres, though they certainly had their share of combat experience. As you note these did find use in other countries as well Thank you for posting these observations, and gad to have you here with us on the forum!!! All very best regards, Jim

6th February 2014, 05:09 AM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Karbala is an Iraqi town that long ago belonged to Persia. That's where some people try to place the source of karabela. However, karabela ( just a saber with a characteristic handle, no different from a tulwar with "pulwar" handle) is actually Turkish. IMHO, the origin of the name is not Turkish "kara bela" and not the Italian " cara bella", but just a name of a Turkish town Karabel. But this is just IMHO, and I am not going to get into a fight because of it :-)

7th February 2014, 09:12 PM	#3
archer burak Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: İstanbul Posts: 22	Thanks a lot dear friends , there is no possibilty about Karabela this is pure Türkish linguistic and Ker- bela city is now at the Iraq not in Turkey but dont we forget this is Ottoman Empire land at 600 years also Poland we called Lehistan is also Ottoman Empire land too as a result of this karabela form is famous icon at the past

22nd February 2014, 08:53 PM	#6
archer burak Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: İstanbul Posts: 22	Sorry but this history not politics , or ethnicity ,,,, and one thing more Poland name in Ottoman perriod was Lehistan ...thats history too...